Worried that the military and NHS are on standby to deliver vaccines

[BurningRose]

Just heard this on the BBC news at 6.Does this mean the military will be injecting people? Will it be mandatory for certain groups? This is rather worrying.

"I mean the question about needing to be monitored afterwards is a degree of unfathomable ludicrousness"

Why? Its what they have said will happen when you have the vs cine. I dont need to be monitored for 15 mins when I r had other vaccines...so why is this different?

Why is it ludicrous to ask questions about this? I'm sure there is a reasonable explanation so why not provide it.

And not everyone is automatically anti vaccination.

Maybe I'd like to see the published side effects first, maybe I'd prefer it if the long terms effects are properly known before I decide to have it.

Those aren't tin hat foil conspiracies of being anti vaccine, its reasonable questions to be asking, or reasonable points as to why someone wouldn't want to have it straight away.

If you have the vaccine and i dont how does it harm you? Your immune right, so me not having a vaccine isn't going to kill you.

And reading reports they are saying children won't be getting it....really? Wow okay so if children can be exempt then I think people have a right to choose.

Dammit! I bit. You are clearly just an anti vax tinfoil hatted wearing nutter.

As for creeping authoritarianism, I’d rather have a state mandated vaccine than continue to put up with current measures, by a long way.

@QueenBlueberries

I am not a conspiracy person. I really am not, at all. But posts like the OPs I suspect are here just to inflame the discussions, to 'encourage' people to become anti vaxers.

I think the OP isn't genuine in her 'anxiety'.

Well, OP claims not to have free floating anxiety. I agree with that - OP's anxiety seems to be running around punching people in the face in a pretty organised way.

I dont need to be monitored for 15 mins when I r had other vaccines...so why is this different?

When I took my children for vaccines when they were small we had to wait in the surgery afterwards. That’s nothing new.

OP, you remind me of someone I went on a date with back in the summer who also referred to people as sheeple and was horrified that I had clapped for the NHS. Needless to say it was just the one date.

OP, say you are PM for a week. What is your solution to this pandemic for people in the UK?

@cardswapping

This thread is way weird. How is a vaccine to be rolled out in high number without logistical help from the NHS or the army? Why must everything be so nefarious?

Did you panic when the army was called in to help to help flood victims last year (BBC reference)?

IMO the vaccine, if/when it gets through the safety protocols, is unlikely to be mandatory.

Like with other vaccines, I totally expect the anti-vaxxers to want every one else to have the vaccine so they can dodge it and benefit from herd immunity conferred by their neighbour getting the vaccine. It is like solidarity backwards.

Unfortunately, this way of thinking is why diseases that should be eradicated like measles are coming back.

Agree

Many of people pass out after an injection of any kind. Many people are scared of needles, will end up having blood pressure dropping. We all had jabs two years ago before travelling to an African country and we had to wait in the surgery after the injections to make sure we were ok.

Haven’t read the whole thread but while it is easy peasy to administer an intramuscular injection which is different from insulin the person administering needs to have training in Basic Life Support and Anaphylaxis . So for everyone saying they’ll happily have anyone doing it/ offering to volunteer do bear in mind the during/ blame culture that us NHS staff face on a daily basis.

@BurningRose

I don't have free floating anxiety so I don't need any help. I have anxiety about trusting our government though! As do many of the population.

That's not an unreasonable view.

I have no desire to have a Covid vaccination, administered by anyone, so if anyone wants one earmarked for me, they are welcome to have it. I'd rather catch Covid and get some natural immunity.

When i gave birth last year i had to ive myself injections for 10 days after. I got a 30 second tutorial from the nurse and off i went. Job done!

@cyclingmad

"I mean the question about needing to be monitored afterwards is a degree of unfathomable ludicrousness"

Why? Its what they have said will happen when you have the vs cine. I dont need to be monitored for 15 mins when I r had other vaccines...so why is this different?

Why is it ludicrous to ask questions about this? I'm sure there is a reasonable explanation so why not provide it.

And not everyone is automatically anti vaccination.

Maybe I'd like to see the published side effects first, maybe I'd prefer it if the long terms effects are properly known before I decide to have it.

Those aren't tin hat foil conspiracies of being anti vaccine, its reasonable questions to be asking, or reasonable points as to why someone wouldn't want to have it straight away.

If you have the vaccine and i dont how does it harm you? Your immune right, so me not having a vaccine isn't going to kill you.

And reading reports they are saying children won't be getting it....really? Wow okay so if children can be exempt then I think people have a right to choose.

cyclingmad Not everyone can have the virus (and it doesn't always work first time) so if you refuse you are still endangering people I care about.

For example will be newborn babies. We can't vaccinate them yet and you want the right to walk around spreading the virus out of selfishness and stupidity.

I am utterly fed up with anti vaxxers whipping up fear and hysteria.

Didn't I read there was going to be legislation against anti vax incitement on social media?

@RonaLisa, hmm OK then. You're ok catching it and spreading it to others too then? That's what happens when you catch a contagious virus. You spread it to others.
But you probably think it's a fake virus spread by Microsoft.

My friends husband had measles and is now sterile. There is so much heartbreak tied up in a sequence of events that were preventable.

I should be surprised about some of the reactions to this thread but if covid had taught me anything it is that some people value their individual "rights" over any kind of collective rights.

I wish all the anti-vaxxers on here could be traced and added to a database. Put in a 'do not treat' list by the NHS.
Out of curiosity, would that bother you? Do you think you should be allowed to spread diseases through society and still take up a hospital bed when you fancy one?

if covid had taught me anything it is that some people value their individual "rights" over any kind of collective rights.

It's been like that for years.

Military also have plenty of medics and people trained to administer pain relief which is by injection so I really wouldn't worry too much

If you have the vaccine and i dont how does it harm you? Your immune right, so me not having a vaccine isn't going to kill you.

Unvaccinated people are disease vectors. The more disease vectors you have merrily passing around the virus, the more chance it has of mutating, thereby rendering the vaccine useless, or infecting those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, or infecting those who have been vaccinated but for whom the vaccine has not 'taken'.

I'd rather catch Covid and get some natural immunity

Would you like a risk of long covid and/or death alongside your natural immunity? Natural immunity is not somehow superior to immunity via the end of a syringe, you don't get extra humanity points for it.

oh and insulin ain't that complicated - diabetics do it every day

Anti vaxxing is a religious cult, there is no reasoned debate to be had.
I have every sympathy with people having concerns but the quite targeted misinformation that gets spread on the web is really worrying.
Never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy, I say!

OP
"They held measles parties in the olden days."

Omg they did not
Measles is a horrendous disease ffs
Will you stop spreading rubbish. Everything you've posted on this thread is complete nonsense and made up

Measles is not only one of the most infectious diseases we know, it also has the added side effect of making your immune system 'forget' other diseases it has already encountered (or been vaccinated for) so that you are then susceptible to further infections and this lasts for up to five years after contracting measles.

People did not hold measles parties.

Measles is the reason I have hearing aids. No they did not have measles parties, in fact measles instilled fear into parents in the 60s when I was a child because it's such a horrible disease.

With vaccines in short supply for the foreseeable the idea that the govt, army, or NHS would waste time trying to force people is laughable.

"Waah I don't a vaccine you can't inject me with your untested mind control drugs!"

"OK no probs move along please plenty more in the queue"