Worried that the military and NHS are on standby to deliver vaccines

[BurningRose]

Just heard this on the BBC news at 6.Does this mean the military will be injecting people? Will it be mandatory for certain groups? This is rather worrying.

Vaccines don't have 100 pc efficacy which is why it's not just anti vaxxers will suffer if they don't have it. It will impact on herd immunity and, if not enough people have the vaccine, some will still catch covid and die.
The safety benchmark is way higher for vaccines than it is for prescription medications on the basis that a vaccine is administered to a healthy person, not someone who already has a medical condition that needs treating and who would, on balance, tolerate side effects. Basically if you refuse a vaccine you should refuse all pharmaceuticals. In other words, total nonsense!

Who are you to tell another person what they should or shouldn't do. I don't tell you what you should do to your body its not my place nor my right nor my business.

So don't get it but if X country or Y airline requires it in order for you to travel, don't complain. If Z company requires it as a condition of employment, don't complain. If you ever need to go into a nursing home or other care facility and they require it as a condition of stay, don't complain.

You are free not to get a vaccine if you don't want it but the flip side of that is that organisations and governments can make it a condition of accessing certain services and experiences in order to protect other people. When you make the choice not to be vaccinated, you are also accepting this as a side effect of your decision.

You do realise there's drs and nurses and highly trained other medics in the military??? Though actually the military are for logistics planning and crowd control, possibly transporting people to central vaccination centres even.

@BurningRose

Most of us would already be dead from things like measles if it wasn’t for vaccinations. grin

Doubt it! They held measles parties in the olden days. Better sanitation and nutrition has helped irradicate a lot of diseases.

Oh dear

once the law is amended

What law would that be? I'm pretty sure there is no existing law limiting who can administer injections - the public do it themselves in many cases

They're saying this vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. So the herd immunity argument doesn't work for this one in the same way it does for others. It's thought to reduce the severity of the disease, not transmission.

[quote BurningRose]For those saying it doesn't interface with DNA.

www.phgfoundation.org/briefing/rna-vaccines[/quote]
A quote from the above link:

“RNA does not integrate itself into the host genome and the RNA strand in the vaccine is degraded once the protein is made.”

Or to put it another way - RNA vaccines do not degrade, attack, change, or in any other way affect your DNA.

@Sheogorath

Yeah, they're going to be sticking needles in machine guns and firing them at people.

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Why does it matter who administers it, as long as they are trained??

@Unsure33

The op is drip feeding various arguments. Some of which are actual untruths .

Wonder why.

It's a ploy of conspiracy theorists. They don't want to spew their delusions out straight away as a lot of people would be on to them from the off. So they start off with what appears to be a somewhat reasonable, innocent query, then gradually ramp it up until it gets to full on Bill Gates will be enslaving us all with his nanochip fuelled vaccines.

You do realise there's drs and nurses and highly trained other medics in the military???

Ever heard of defence cuts? DMS is a tiny fraction of what it was. But yes, lots of military personnel have medical training for deployments, and that goes well beyond ordinary first aid courses.

I really don't see why you cannot train personnel to administer jabs. And using the military is a sensible option because they are already on the government payroll. And you can even make the poor sods live in Pontins

Anyone know how to report a post? The OP is spreading misinformation, and has clearly no idea how vaccines work, how natural immunity is different from acquired immunity due to vaccines, and is generally scaremongering.
I feel really uncomfortable reading this.
This is a time to actually really trust the scientists who have put their lifetime's work, vast knowledge and experience into finding ways to hopefully irradiate this terrible virus that has played havoc with all our lives this last year.
Surely having suffered so much one would and should do everything possible to support the public health vaccine programme and attempt to get us all back to normal

You touch the 3 dots at the bottom right of a post and then hit report.

@gancanny

But who said I would complain if thise scenarios happened. Maybe I'm okay not travelling for a yr two cos I could also save money n do my house up instead and then after a yr or two and more is know on side effects I can then make a different choice.

I'm also not jumping up or down demanding its wrong if airlines etc bring those requirements into place or making a big fuss about it, never even mentioned it because I already know if they put that in place how bothered I would be about it

So again people should just respect other people's decisions on what they decide to do about taking this vaccine and stop telling others what they should or shouldn't do

Every Sunday, in May?- a couple of low flying Chinooks would buzz our house.

Bloody military delivering PPE for Southampton General!

@macncheeses or you go to the top where op has posted (grammer!) & press report

So its likely that medical students, dentists, vets, occupational therapists and physios may assist in a vaccination programme. Staff from the military may also help.

Ppl are getting a bit ahead of themselves though. The Pfizer study is not finished and the UK has also spent more money on 3 other vaccines. So there is no gurantee that ppl will be getting the Pfizer vaccine.

I'm a healthcare professional and I'm concerned about how this has been rushed through. There is no long term safety data. It will most likely be given out whilst still unlicensed. The law has been changed so the manufacturer doesn't accept liability. Many of my colleagues feel the same way as we may have to administer it. It's not being anti-vaccine to question something that has been rushed out. It could be the first mRNA vaccine that is licensed with no long term safety data. Not something that sits comfortably with me.
Also to compare it to holiday vaccines is wrong as they have been thoroughly tested long term.

Stop peddling the anti vaxx nonsense. It's pretty bloody obvious why the military will be involved in delivering a mass vaccination program.

Most of the idiots seeking to stir up this rubbish will be well down in the pecking order for getting a vaccination even if they do want one.

Some of us have some potentially bloody serious risks associated with catching coronavirus or have someone they love dearly who does. This news is a reason to (cautiously) celebrate . Quit trying to create more misery and fear.

@cyclingmad

"I mean the question about needing to be monitored afterwards is a degree of unfathomable ludicrousness"

Why? Its what they have said will happen when you have the vs cine. I dont need to be monitored for 15 mins when I r had other vaccines...so why is this different?

Why is it ludicrous to ask questions about this? I'm sure there is a reasonable explanation so why not provide it.

And not everyone is automatically anti vaccination.

Maybe I'd like to see the published side effects first, maybe I'd prefer it if the long terms effects are properly known before I decide to have it.

Those aren't tin hat foil conspiracies of being anti vaccine, its reasonable questions to be asking, or reasonable points as to why someone wouldn't want to have it straight away.

If you have the vaccine and i dont how does it harm you? Your immune right, so me not having a vaccine isn't going to kill you.

And reading reports they are saying children won't be getting it....really? Wow okay so if children can be exempt then I think people have a right to choose.

Children may not get the vaccine if the vaccine was not tested on those under 18.

Waiting after a vaccine is normal procedure. I have to wait for 15 minutes after the flu vaccination, and other vaccinations I've had in the past. It's procedure.

If you refuse a vaccine why should the NHS have to treat you if you get sick? You could put at risk ppl who may not be able to get the vaccine.

Thousands have volunteered in these studies, and have had the vaccine. You should be greatful instead of being selfish.

I do think there are two sides. One is the vaccine itself where I would like to see the specific public data and make a decision for myself in terms if having it.

I do not understand the issue with the military . Are people honestly so naive and ignorant just to be afraid of a uniform? They are one of the most organised , resourced and trained groups in the country. Why on earth wouldn't they help?

You realise the military helps in aid missions all over the world.

Are people honestly so tin foil hat esque that they think itll be marines with machine guns holding them down and holding to jab the needle in the right way?

Some parts of the military who are not medics have better field first aid training than most of the country.

Honestly it beggars belief the rubbish people come out with it. You can be sensible and query things you know , it's not actually required to do the verbal equivalent of run down the street naked yelling wibble to show you are edgy and not sheep like. You know that right ?

@SophieGiroux

I'm a healthcare professional and I'm concerned about how this has been rushed through. There is no long term safety data. It will most likely be given out whilst still unlicensed. The law has been changed so the manufacturer doesn't accept liability. Many of my colleagues feel the same way as we may have to administer it. It's not being anti-vaccine to question something that has been rushed out. It could be the first mRNA vaccine that is licensed with no long term safety data. Not something that sits comfortably with me. Also to compare it to holiday vaccines is wrong as they have been thoroughly tested long term.

I'm with you on this

Thank you @sophiegiroux for what you said cos it those reason I'm not willing to rush to get the vaccine but being labelled selfish or anti vaxxer.

Look how many people on here don't even know the facts about the vaccine eveb the media are confused...does it provide long term immunity, now its saying it doesn't and you need regular boosters, then there are reports it doesn't stop transmission

So wtf does this vaccine do, how hard is it for the company to give a clear statement on it.

And by the way by the time any long term side effects are known tough luck they are immune from repercussions.

So there is nothing wrong if a person is being cautious about wanting to be injected with something that has been rushed through.

Also if your going to apply the whole if you haven't had the vaccine dont expect nhs treatment comment then lets be fair about it...if you s one dont except nhs help if you get lung cancer, if your fat and obese dont expect nhs help, if you destroy your live from drinking too much dont expect help or a transplant either.

Cos if you want to start on that road about people being denied nhs help its a slippery slope.

Other again there is always option to pay for private care

Hell my 75 year old mum used to inject herself for diabetes. Is she can do it than I am sure the army, midwives or however can do it safely with training.
Up to you whether you take it up op.