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Worried that the military and NHS are on standby to deliver vaccines

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BurningRose · 10/11/2020 18:09

Just heard this on the BBC news at 6.Does this mean the military will be injecting people? Will it be mandatory for certain groups? This is rather worrying.

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SparklyOwl · 10/11/2020 21:14

@BurningRose

Err Darwin would have gone for the herd immunity approach I reckon Grin. He wouldnt prop in vulnerable people with vaccines
Most of us would already be dead from things like measles if it wasn’t for vaccinations. Grin
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BurningRose · 10/11/2020 21:17

Most of us would already be dead from things like measles if it wasn’t for vaccinations. grin

Doubt it! They held measles parties in the olden days. Better sanitation and nutrition has helped irradicate a lot of diseases.

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ghostyslovesheets · 10/11/2020 21:19

herd immunity - in the modern sense relies on vaccinations!

and no people didn't hold measles parties - that was chicken pox - we feared measles

cardswapping · 10/11/2020 21:19

This thread is way weird. How is a vaccine to be rolled out in high number without logistical help from the NHS or the army? Why must everything be so nefarious?

Did you panic when the army was called in to help to help flood victims last year (BBC reference)?

IMO the vaccine, if/when it gets through the safety protocols, is unlikely to be mandatory.

Like with other vaccines, I totally expect the anti-vaxxers to want every one else to have the vaccine so they can dodge it and benefit from herd immunity conferred by their neighbour getting the vaccine. It is like solidarity backwards.

Unfortunately, this way of thinking is why diseases that should be eradicated like measles are coming back.

Birdsong111 · 10/11/2020 21:20

There is no way this will be mandatory. They would sabotage any chance of winning future elections if they did that and I don’t see how that would be legal anyway. It’s the manpower they need to distribute this vaccine. If you don’t want the vaccine simple don’t have it. I understand these are worrying times though OP.

pointythings · 10/11/2020 21:20

BurningRose, herd immunity is when you get a disease that no longer has sufficient hosts for it to spread - and this is achieved through vaccination. Look at measles rates in the UK - they rocketed after Wakefield published his bollocks research. Before that, we pretty much had herd immunity against measles in the UK.

There probably was an instance when natural herd immunity did develop for a time - that would be in the Middle Ages when plague was estimated to have killed between 30% and 50% of the population in Europe. Now imagine that happening at present population levels. Still fancy natural herd immunity?

Hope that helps.

Girlyracer · 10/11/2020 21:20

I don't understand how the OP equates military with mandatory. It's obvious it's simply about manpower. Bizarre!

the80sweregreat · 10/11/2020 21:21

I'm on the fence regarding all the arguments, but I do want to travel next year ( or year after) and start living again so I'll have their vaccine and take my chances.

cardswapping · 10/11/2020 21:25

@BurningRose an 18 month girl died in the city I lived in a couple of years ago from measles complications. Please do not discount the disease. It is not fair on the victims and their relatives.

In the olden days, mortality was higher than nowadays. I am not anchoring for the olden days. Anyone miss the Olden Day surgery and dentistry?

GoldenOmber · 10/11/2020 21:26

@BurningRose

Most of us would already be dead from things like measles if it wasn’t for vaccinations. grin

Doubt it! They held measles parties in the olden days. Better sanitation and nutrition has helped irradicate a lot of diseases.

You're thinking of chicken pox parties, not measles.

And measles hasn't been eradicated by sanitation and nutrition. Measles is really really infectious, and will keep happily infecting everybody it can if there's not enough immunity in the population. It will not be put off by someone eating up their veggies or washing their hands or having a clean water supply. It kills more people if they're already dealing with things like malnutrition, but it doesn't die out because everybody's eating well.

The only one we've eradicated is smallpox. Which again, wasn't done with 'sanitation and nutrition', but with public health measures and vaccinations.

Anyone who's telling you that vaccines don't really make an impact and the reason we don't have measles/polio/TB/whooping cough/typhoid/whatever else going round all the time round now is because we have better diets and better hygiene is just making shit up. I'm sorry, but they are.

Posturesorposes · 10/11/2020 21:27

This thread is not about the military involvement or anything else. this is just the usual standard anti-vaccinating thread that appears from time to time from one anti-vaccination person to another just in a different garb that’s all really. I find anti-vaccination views really really fascinating in terms of the way the self convincing about “I’ve-done-my-own-research-thanx” works. I don’t have the exact data on this but I have never come across an anti vaxxer on any of these threads in my many years on mums net where the poster concerned had any degree of credible qualifications in any evidence-based discipline at all. Of course many might say they do and the OP in this case can also now declare to us that they are an immunologist or a biologist but there really is something really fascinating about how the logic of the anti-vaccination brigade works.

CaptainMyCaptain · 10/11/2020 21:28

If its so safe why do people need to be monitored for 15 mins after its been administered before you can leave?
You have to do that after giving blood.

Posturesorposes · 10/11/2020 21:30

I mean the question about needing to be monitored afterwards is a degree of unfathomable ludicrousness that I wouldn’t even know how to answer that. But where do people begin the journey down the rabbit hole where does it begin? If I could change my area and discipline now at this stage in my career I absolutely and totally would go and study people who have dedicated their lives to Q Anon for example...

CorianderLord · 10/11/2020 21:33

People watch too many dystopian films

tilder · 10/11/2020 21:33

So long as they don't have vested economic interests and are funded by organisations with a specific agenda of course hmm. But of course that doesn't apply to vaccines does it. Noooo. They are entirely produced for non financial reasons. No one benefits a penny.

All those scientists currently engaged in a publication frenzy. Do you honestly think they are selling out on their integrity, their reputation, their beliefs, all for a publication? Do you realise how offensive that is?

Academic literature and peer review is all set up to provide checks and confidence in publications. To make sure bullshit does not slip through.

Am sure there was a recent high profile case. Where somebody published something controversial and scientifically incorrect for personal financial gain. Only to be found out and struck off. Remind me what that was about again?

Quite different to social media, where anyone can say anything eigh apparcng impunity.

BikeRunSki · 10/11/2020 21:33

I have had the pleasure of working with the Royal Logistics Corps in an emergency response type situation, more than once (including the one cardswapping hs referenced above). They are awesome. You need something moving, fetching, carrying etc., they are who you need. Those guys are like machines and they take no rubbish from anyone. Seriously, rolling out 100,000s of vaccines is a logical exercise as much as a medical one.

CorianderLord · 10/11/2020 21:34

Were people sad when we wiped out smallpox or polio in the UK?

Retiremental · 10/11/2020 21:37

Am sure the many highly trained medics in the forces will be delighted by your supportive stance OP Wink

AlwaysLatte · 10/11/2020 21:39

Eh? Well I suppose it makes a change from all the people worrying that there wasn't a vaccine... Hmm

MadameBlobby · 10/11/2020 21:40

@BurningRose

Just heard this on the BBC news at 6.Does this mean the military will be injecting people? Will it be mandatory for certain groups? This is rather worrying.
Worrying in what way?
PhilCornwall1 · 10/11/2020 21:40

@BurningRose

Just heard this on the BBC news at 6.Does this mean the military will be injecting people? Will it be mandatory for certain groups? This is rather worrying.
No chance it will be mandatory. How would they do that?
QueenBlueberries · 10/11/2020 21:40

I am not a conspiracy person. I really am not, at all. But posts like the OPs I suspect are here just to inflame the discussions, to 'encourage' people to become anti vaxers.

I think the OP isn't genuine in her 'anxiety'.

Pacif1cDogwood · 10/11/2020 21:40

V weird combination of paranoia and reckless abandon on this thread Grin

I am not holding my breath for this vaccine as yet - storage at -80 degrees C and the practicalities involved in how to safely administer this, the logistics involved etc etc... WHO is going to jab me is a very very minor concern to me tbh [shrug]

PhilCornwall1 · 10/11/2020 21:41

@Sheogorath

Yeah, they're going to be sticking needles in machine guns and firing them at people. Hmm
That's one quick way of delivering it to the masses! 🤣
AppleAndPearss · 10/11/2020 21:41

@AlwaysLatte

Eh? Well I suppose it makes a change from all the people worrying that there wasn't a vaccine... Hmm

This made me laugh GrinGrin