Worried that the military and NHS are on standby to deliver vaccines

[BurningRose]

Just heard this on the BBC news at 6.Does this mean the military will be injecting people? Will it be mandatory for certain groups? This is rather worrying.

It is the fact there isn't any come back on the companies that make these vaccines which bothers me most. It's a recurring theme with my friends , one of which is very vocal against them ( and a long personal story as to why)
I think many people are concerned as it's been found so quickly as well. It's a worry , which isn't anything to do with being anti vaccines or reading a conspiracy on 'auntie Joans ' facebook page.
Too many people remember side effects from vaccines and medications (which are well reported ) and it's natural for people to be suspicious of this one I think.
I just hope it will be ok and we won't be reading about problems with it in 20 years time. It feels rushed to me , but then I'm not a scientist and have to trust the experts and the vaccine makers.

OP, please explain this to me:

You have had Covid, so are immune, so don't need a vaccine. But the vaccine, which produces the same immune response as you have presumably had, won't last, so a yearly booster is needed. (Both statements you have made)

Doesn't make sense. Which is it??

Hint: the answer is - we don't know yet how long immunity lasts, because not enough time has yet elapsed to be able to tell. As you rightly point out, antibodies are only part of the picture, so the fact they wane after a few months does not automatically mean immunity wanes. Remember the people who had SARS, found to still have memory T-cells 17 years later....

You don't have "natural immunity"...you can get it more than once.

[quote Unsure33]@FreshFreesias

When has any vaccine EVER been made compulsory for a job?[/quote]
There are several vaccinations HCPs need. And have done for decades.

if you struggle to understand science yourself, you are much safer sticking to the majority scientific view. Ideally one that is generated independently by different scientific groups. Collaborative. Peer reviewed. Including agreement with the scientists at the top of their fields.

So long as they don't have vested economic interests and are funded by organisations with a specific agenda of course . But of course that doesn't apply to vaccines does it. Noooo. They are entirely produced for non financial reasons. No one benefits a penny.

I'm more scared of anti vaxxers and anti maskers than the army giving me an injection I actively want.

BurningRose, why not find an anti vax site to scare monger on?

You don't own my body nor does the goverment, we have a right to decide what happens to our bodies and what goes into them

Where are you getting the idea the it is compulsory to have immunisations?

They say it won’t be mandatory but they will make your life a living hell without it. You’ll probably need it for flying, to get a job, enter certain facilities, etc etc.

@Joswis

I'm more scared of anti vaxxers and anti maskers than the army giving me an injection I actively want.

BurningRose, why not find an anti vax site to scare monger on?

It’s ok, don’t forget that Darwin has a very valid theory about the anti vaxxers and covid conspirators.

I think many people are concerned as it's been found so quickly as well

A large part of vaccine development involves applying for permission to proceed and waiting for it to be granted, applying for funding and waiting for it to granted, and recruiting volunteers then waiting until there are a large enough number. All of this has been expedited, in part due to the vast amounts of funding thrown at it and due to being able to run the development stages concurrently, but they haven't missed out any steps of the development process. They also weren't starting from total scratch as there had been ongoing research into coronaviruses and a coronavirus vaccine for many years and much of that research could be transferred across to the current project.

I just hope it will be ok and we won't be reading about problems with it in 20 years time

It would be incredibly unusual for side effects to show up a few decades later, any adverse side effects from vaccines tend to occur fairly rapidly.

@00100001

You don't own my body nor does the goverment, we have a right to decide what happens to our bodies and what goes into them

Where are you getting the idea the it is compulsory to have immunisations?

I think it’s possible the poster was referring to a few people on this post who said it could be compulsory for those who want to travel. Which does make it compulsory (kind of) if you have to travel for work or similar.

My friends and family would laugh themselves silly at the idea that I have any respect for authority at all. I'm also a pacifist, so not at all inclined towards idealising the armed services (part from that one medic, who had genuinely genius hands!).

However, what my upbringing and (short!) employment by the MOD taught me, is that these people really know their stuff. If you have an awkward thing which needs delivering to an inconvenient location, then these are the people to ask. They plan for things like this, they practice things like this, it would be perverse to not use them to support his kind of effort.

I also thoroughly dislike sheep, so I resent any comparison to them. My sheep don't follow without question, they are defiant bastards!

Things not to start threads about:-
Religion
Politics
Covid
It’s your body and you have to do what you feel is right for you. You’ve had covid and presumably it didn’t affect you badly (like thousands of others people, as the survival rate is high).

Lots of hate on here lately, it’s not discussion or debate. Its hate. It’s ‘LTB’ ‘you have mental health issues, how dare you have a different opinion to me’ ‘I will insert link here about research I know nothing about and don’t understand because I am not a scientist and actually don’t have a scooby doo but hey, I’ll pretend I do’
Scientists have admitted they don’t know how much protection it gives, to whom or for how long in any case. There isn’t enough data yet.

Of course it will make it that you can't do anything without having it. People I know who don't want it all work with other people. They won't be able to not work and won't want to sit around at home forever more either.
It's a Rock and a hard place.

@Userzzz

They say it won’t be mandatory but they will make your life a living hell without it. You’ll probably need it for flying, to get a job, enter certain facilities, etc etc.

It’s hardly a living hell, is it? The hyperbole on this thread’s ludicrous.

They say it won’t be mandatory but they will make your life a living hell without it. You’ll probably need it for flying, to get a job, enter certain facilities, etc etc.

Depends on the job really. Mechanic or tax inspector? Probably not so much. Health care worker? Likely a higher chance your employer will want you to have it. Flying? Conditions of carriage are decided by the airline. Travel? Countries are free to decide their own entry requirements, you're free not to travel there.

You still have the choice not have the vaccine but if having it is a condition of accessing certain experiences then tough - that's a consequence of your choice and being excluded is a risk you take when you choose not to have it.

I work for the nhs months agothry asked for " volunteers" to train for vaccinating

Err Darwin would have gone for the herd immunity approach I reckon . He wouldnt prop in vulnerable people with vaccines

Sometimes I wonder if the whole pandemic hasn't been a bit disappointingly boring for people, and all the horror scenarios of soldiers turning up to hold our children hostage while vaccinating us at gunpoint aren't an attempt to jazz it up a bit from the dull reality.

@Gancanny

They say it won’t be mandatory but they will make your life a living hell without it. You’ll probably need it for flying, to get a job, enter certain facilities, etc etc.

Depends on the job really. Mechanic or tax inspector? Probably not so much. Health care worker? Likely a higher chance your employer will want you to have it. Flying? Conditions of carriage are decided by the airline. Travel? Countries are free to decide their own entry requirements, you're free not to travel there.

You still have the choice not have the vaccine but if having it is a condition of accessing certain experiences then tough - that's a consequence of your choice and being excluded is a risk you take when you choose not to have it.

Someone on a work call was saying today that any work place etc having mandatory vaccination is wrong. Yet when asked if she wanted people to be vaccinated before they entered the UK she said yes!

A lot of people will haveanxiety about this new vaccine. I think it's wrong to shut people down and brand them as having anxiety issues, when an open, transparent discussion. With reluable information about both benefits and risks is what's needed. If you want people's trust, the answer isn't to shout them down and insult

Someone on a work call was saying today that any work place etc having mandatory vaccination is wrong. Yet when asked if she wanted people to be vaccinated before they entered the UK she said yes

There's a mum at school who is all over FB with anti-vaxx stuff and still constantly complaints about parents sending their sick kids to school in case they infect her kids.

@mpsw

There are some significant storage issues with the temperature the Pfizer vaccination has to be kept at, throughout the entire delivery chain from the point it leaves the factory, through every move, right to the clinics where it will be administered.

Not t sure who else I'd trust with a loggie challenge of that scale and national importance other than the military.

Were you hoping for Capita instead, OP?

Capita! 😆😆

It’s not that hard to administer a vaccine there’s a lot of non-medics who do Botox etc in a safe way perhaps they could even help with the vaccination programme as such clinics are currently closed

I insist on being vaccinated by a minimum-wage teenager hired by a shady consultant company run by somebody whose only qualification is that they're married to a junior Tory minister, and I will accept nothing less