Worried that the military and NHS are on standby to deliver vaccines

[BurningRose]

Just heard this on the BBC news at 6.Does this mean the military will be injecting people? Will it be mandatory for certain groups? This is rather worrying.

@BurningRose, to help with your anxiety...

Just off the top of my head, here are some things the army has been called in to do.

– Help build the Nightingale hospitals. (2020)

– Help flood-hit communities in Calderdale, W Yorkshire. (2020)

– Help prevent the Whaley Bridge dam from collapsing, saving the
village. RAF involved too. (2019)

– Help build flood defences in Berkshire. Princes William & Harry turned out to help the troops as they were local. (2014)

– Provide security at the Olympics when G4S cocked up the contract. (2012)

– Help clear major snow from Edinburgh. (2010)

That's just straight off the top of my head.

Basically, if it's a huge job that needs massive, reliable manpower to do all of a sudden, then it's perfectly normal for the military to get asked.

Please don't worry just because the army is mentioned.

Ah...the sheeple argument. Always going to get people onside by calling then that 👍

Aaaaand we have the antivax bingo sheep box filled by the OP

What do you think will happen though Op? You’ll be arrested and forced to have it injected into your arm by the army?

If you don’t want the vaccine done have it ffs - we don’t force people to have any vaccine in this country

You need to stop listening to Mike Yeadon OP. He's just pissed off the Pfizer brought out the vaccine without him!

dont have it then but you wont have lifelong immunity just because youve had covid once

and to others dont being thalidomide into this that was a drug was 50 years ago and everyones learnt fromt it

You ask why some posters are annoyed at your post.

Because it sounds like you are flirting with anti-vaxx here.

Not only do anti-vaxxers cause harm by spreading scientifically incorrect information and keeping parents from vaccinating their children; in it’s reluctance to accept fact as fact and in its belief that opinion equals fact it’s also on the same continuum as Trump, QAnon etc.

People have had an enough of living in a post- fact world.

@Sheogorath

Yeah, they're going to be sticking needles in machine guns and firing them at people.

If the vaccine is so safe why change the law recently making pharma companies immune from any legal recourse on side effects?

If its so safe why do people need to be monitored for 15 mins after its been administered before you can leave?

If people don't want to have it there shouldn't be any consequences like having their freedoms restricted.

You don't own my body nor does the goverment, we have a right to decide what happens to our bodies and what goes into them.

Planning large scale infrastructure at short notice is what the military do best. DH is ex-RAF, Logistics branch. A few years ago he was involved in organising the sending of supplies, personnel, equipment, etc to overseas British territories that had been hit by devastating hurricanes. They know how to pull this sort of thing together at very short notice and have whole Regiments/Wings on standby to deploy with only a few days notice for any eventuality.

There’s a reason for the phrase “military precision”.

As for “unqualified” people giving injections, I injected myself daily through 6 cycles of fertility treatment, it’s not rocket science. And trust me, those HCG trigger needles are a darn sight bigger than the ones they use for vaccinations!

Oh ok forget what I said previously, you clearly are an antivaxxer who thinks they know better than actual scientists. I'd love to know what job you have I guarantee you haven't had to study as hard or as long as scientists have had to (I'm related to lots I know their dedication). There's critical thinking and then there's ignorant people who don't understand science so treat it with scorn rather than admit it's beyond their knowledge.

FYI the earth is round.

@BurningRose

The blind trust many of you have in authority kind of worries me to be honest. Just like matt Hancock quoting 'the science'. There are many scientists with many different theories and many different scientific paradigms. There is nothing wrong with questioning things unless you are very frightened of not being a sheep and following the crowd and following orders.

God, it never stops does it? Conspiracy theorists coming along parroting the old mantras about sheep and questioning things.

@BurningRose

The blind trust many of you have in authority kind of worries me to be honest. Just like matt Hancock quoting 'the science'. There are many scientists with many different theories and many different scientific paradigms. There is nothing wrong with questioning things unless you are very frightened of not being a sheep and following the crowd and following orders.

There's a woman on my local fb page who spouts identical crap. Using spurious 'research' to 'prove' her theories.

You don't want the vaccine? Don't have it.

If its so safe why do people need to be monitored for 15 mins after its been administered before you can leave?

They tell you that after the flu jab. Because a teeny tiny eensy weensy minority of people have an allergic reaction. And if you're doing that for the first time in your life, you're better off being in a place with people around who are trained in what to do in the extraordinarily unlikely case of it happening. Just like the staff at blood donor sessions know what to do if someone comes over a bit funny, and dentist staff knew what to do when I nearly fainted after having a tooth out.

The fact that a few people have a bad reaction shortly after the procedure does not mean that vaccines, giving blood, or dental extractions are inherently unsafe.

@BurningRose

Ps I had a positive covid test a few months ago so I won't need a vaccine. I now have natural immunity.

I worry about creeping authoritarianism though.

You do know that you can have Covid-19 more than once?

And if you don’t want the vaccine, then don’t have it! It’s not just for your benefit though - it’s to protect everyone. It’s the responsible thing to do.

Just because you may see someone claiming to be a scientist with a different opinion to others does not mean they are right. It's doesn't mean they are being somehow prevented from spreading their knowledge. It doesn't mean there is a conspiracy or conflict or uncertainty.

If you struggle to understand science yourself, you are much safer sticking to the majority scientific view. Ideally one that is generated independently by different scientific groups. Collaborative. Peer reviewed. Including agreement with the scientists at the top of their fields.

@BurningRose

Thats. OK all. You guys get the vaccine and let me know how it goes. Don't say I didn't warn you about side effects

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The blind trust many of you have in authority kind of worries me to be honest.

As opposed to your blind trust in your own opinion. Every single argument you've used to try and justify your position has been swiftly shot down with facts. How much is it going to take before the penny finally drops that you really don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about?

Don't take the vaccine if you don't want to. Hopefully you and all the other anti-vaxers will end up qualifying for a mass Darwin Award and we'll see the collective intelligence of the human race jump a few points. We can but hope.

@cyclingmad

If the vaccine is so safe why change the law recently making pharma companies immune from any legal recourse on side effects?

If its so safe why do people need to be monitored for 15 mins after its been administered before you can leave?

If people don't want to have it there shouldn't be any consequences like having their freedoms restricted.

You don't own my body nor does the goverment, we have a right to decide what happens to our bodies and what goes into them.

You have to stay for 15 minutes after a flu jab, I had to stay for 30 minutes when I had a typhoid vaccine.

@cyclingmad

If the vaccine is so safe why change the law recently making pharma companies immune from any legal recourse on side effects?

If its so safe why do people need to be monitored for 15 mins after its been administered before you can leave?

If people don't want to have it there shouldn't be any consequences like having their freedoms restricted.

You don't own my body nor does the goverment, we have a right to decide what happens to our bodies and what goes into them.

This makes sense. I guess having your freedom restricted is like forcing you to have it, especially if you work abroad at times and have to travel. But on the other hand I get why other countries wouldn’t want an unvaccinated person in their country.

But this is what I meant really, is that it’s questions we should be asking. I don’t think the vaccine is something scary as I said earlier, in fact it’s a light at the end of a very depressing tunnel for me, knowing that I will be able to live more freely and not worry about making people ill or being treated in hospital if me, DH or the kids are poorly. But you can’t give informed consent to something without at least questioning it first.

@cyclingmad you have to wait after flu vacs, or any new medication in case of allergic reaction which is common. Not a conspiracy

@GypsyWanderer

Am I the only one that doesn’t want the vaccine?Everyone on this post seems like they’re definitely going to have it when offered. There are a few things I’d like to know I guess which is why I have reservations. Like long term effects (remember the swine flu vaccine and the thalidomide drug for example) and also I’m interested to know the effects the vaccine might have on those who have already had covid as that hasn’t been tested yet. I guess I’m just curious as everyone seems to want it and those that say they don’t are shot down as anti-vaxxers when I think it’s a normal reaction to want to know everything about something before putting it in your body. I think it’s a fantastic thing by the way because normal life can resume! It is such wonderful news but I get why some people may not want it if they are not in any of the at-risk groups. And I am not an anti-vaxxer.

For what it’s worth I don’t think it’ll be mandatory to have one but it was a worry of mine at the start (I do have anxiety though) especially as a history buff knowing what other governments have got away with in the past.

I’m not going to rush to get it. I’d rather wait and see what the long term affects will be. I’d also like to know how many women and how many men were tested in the trials, as a lot of the time hardly any women are used and the results are skewed to mens biology www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200812161318.htm

@PrtScn I think I saw your comment on a post earlier about that and I’m also very interested to find that out. Do you know if they release all that info before they roll out the vaccine?

If the vaccine is so safe why change the law recently making pharma companies immune from any legal recourse on side effects?

Because the government's own vaccine injury scheme exists.

If its so safe why do people need to be monitored for 15 mins after its been administered before you can leave?

Because it's a new vaccine so they want to monitor people, its a basic safety protocol and similar was done when the meningitis vaccine was added to the immunisation schedule for infants. I remember having to sit in the GP waiting room with DS after his and the nurse giving him a quick check over before we could leave.

If people don't want to have it there shouldn't be any consequences like having their freedoms restricted.

Where has it been suggested that this would be the case?

You don't own my body nor does the goverment, we have a right to decide what happens to our bodies and what goes into them.

Again, forced vaccination has not been suggested.

@BurningRose

My comment is not as odd as it seems. Some legislation was passed recently allowing non medical professionals to administer vaccines of needed.

I teach people how to give IM injections, it’s not a long job. Anyone could learn in under 10 mins. When I was a student nurse it was a case of see one, do one.