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Should we submit to the lockdown or fight back?

561 replies

pontypridd · 01/11/2020 00:00

Just this.

I feel scared writing it. I know I'll be flamed.

But how long can people live like this for? I've lost so many family over the years - my mum too when I was young. We all get sick and die.

We can't lock up the whole world because of Covid. Are we just all going to submit? Or do we, should we fight for our freedom?

OP posts:
KaptainKaveman · 01/11/2020 07:49

@planplan

Why don't you move to America? Trump doesn't care about Covid so you can live happily mask free! Until you catch it and either die or drown in debt from your medical bill.
Yes this is true, the US is a terrific place for all those loonies who believe that COVID-19 is a Big Lefty Conspiracy. And if anyone challenges you over your refusal to wear a mask you can just SHOOT THEM!! WITH YOUR ENORMOUS ARSENAL OF GUNS !! Good luck to you, especially if you rely on medication of any sort which will cost you hundreds of dollars per month
Kazmerelda · 01/11/2020 07:50

@m0therofdragons

Okay, I really need a mn break. I can’t deal with the level of idiocy. It’s not just about you dying it’s about putting doctors in a position where they would have to play God and choose who gets a ventilator and who doesn’t, then they have to live with that trauma. No doctor wants to make that call ever. So fighting back actually means behaving like a self absorbed selfish prick.
This.

It’s a shitty situation, yes. People are fed up, yes. Mental health is not good, yes.

8 years ago I lost my brother due to hospital negligence. Why? It was high respiratory infection season this time of year, the resp ward was packed and no one looked after him properly. The harrowing looks on the faces of the nurses and drs that night was not a sight you want to see.

So I follow the rules, hate the lockdown but obey it. And why? So that never happens again. Right now this is what will happen!

As for me, I have had covid and I have some lung damage as a result. It was like bad flu for a few days but no hospital needed. You want people to have that long term damage?

We don’t know enough about this virus.

Duggeehugs82 · 01/11/2020 07:51

Fight for our freedom has got to be the most annoying phase! Im not a fan of the goverment at all but they r in an impossible situation and they dont want to overwhelm the hospitals and its not like they r rubbing their hands with glee

MissMarplesGlove · 01/11/2020 07:51

Are we just all going to submit? Or do we, should we fight for our freedom?

Who are you going to fight?

I've never read anything so ridiculous.

My freedom is about not catching a disease that could well kill me or make me seriously ill. I will "fight" by

  • wearing a mask
  • keeping away from crowds and crowded situations
  • ensuring distancing in all situations
  • washing my hands
  • being respectful of others, by behaving as though I may be the risk
BefuddledPerson · 01/11/2020 07:51

@IceniWarrior

Need a MN break too. Dislike the human race. I dont understand when people became so weak. I'm talking about those who are simply in a huff because they can't meet with others or go shopping or on holiday. Then use poor mental health as an excuse when all they mean is that they feel upset that they are now inconvenienced, making a mockery of real mental health issues.
I agree with this. Mental health vs being bored/frustrated/upset/scared. I felt all these through the first lockdown but was still fundamentally ok. I will do the least I can manage over the next four weeks to leave space for those who really need to get out and do more than me.
diplodocusinermine · 01/11/2020 07:51

What are you fighting for/against? You can see the figures starting to creep up, the hospital admissions and deaths increasing. According to the stats, the group who are being hospitalised at a higher number at the moment are relatively young women (40 - 55) - that's young enough to have toddlers and another 27 years in the workforce.

I don't think anyone wants another lockdown. You talk of protesting - against what? Do you want the government to lift all restrictions? How will you feel when we are hearing of 1000 excess deaths a day? 2000? How many is too many?

Others talk of the incompetence of the government (don't get me wrong, I think they're pretty incompetent and not just on Covid). What would you have them do? The countries where Covid has been tackled better have far more intrusive methods. Koreans and Japanese are generally very obedient. We appear not to be. All school children wearing masks, everyone wearing masks from the word go, everyone obeying the rules, downloading test and trace apps, government using credit card and cctv to track the movements of people who test positive.

There have been protests in Germany against the restrictions and cases are now rising, and in Belgium and the Netherlands.

If I was in govt I'm not sure what I'd do. Probably have had university students doing distance learning for a year, perhaps had all school lessons for over 13s done on-line.

I do think this pandemic has shown us up as quite a selfish nation generally - great on the big ticket showy stuff like clapping for the NHS, but not very good at taking personal responsibility to ensure we don't contribute to spread of the virus and therefore the knock-on effect to the economy (or at least not enough of us take personal responsibility). It has also shown up the lack of critical thinking skills among a large swathe of the population.

Iheartmysmart · 01/11/2020 07:53

Loving the comments from people saying lockdown isn’t strict enough, it’s only four weeks and at least we have access to food. Bet you wouldn’t be quite so smug if people like my DS decided that actually working a minimum wage job in a supermarket making sure you could get fed wasn’t worth the risk to them and they downed tools. But no, it’s okay for people like that to go to work because they benefit you! That’s what I call selfish.

Aridane · 01/11/2020 07:54

@Theworldisfullofgs

Taiwan has pretty much got it under control
And South Korea and poor Vietnam.

Those that got it under control - including South Korea with its fab technology and test, trace & isolate, never even had a lockdown.

CrunchyCarrot · 01/11/2020 07:54

Submit? Fight for freedom? Seriously? Hmm

I can't get my head around people thinking this way. We need to do this otherwise the NHS will likely fall over due to the sheer amount of admissions caused by Covid plus regular emergencies. I know it's difficult and that lockdown causes other problems, but all this talk of 'fighting back' means you will end up being your own worst enemy.

BunsyGirl · 01/11/2020 07:55

@Pixxie7 and you’re making assumptions about me too. I know a lot of NHS workers too.

CloudyVanilla · 01/11/2020 07:56

I actually think in the modern age we live in people are being very spoiled to say this is a shit way of living.

I'm not dismissing those with mental health issues suffering, but to blanket say that it's awful is pretty privileged considering what the vast majority of humans have lived through.

I do think there is a balance to other aspects of life but it's such a difficult line to tread - how do you reconcile passively doing nothing if it means people get sick with long term consequences and die.

I don't know what the best answer is, but I do think all this talk of rebellion and freedom fighting is off base. The most you should be doing is keeping an eye on any activity concerning our long term human rights.

Aridane · 01/11/2020 07:57

@pontypridd

I’m against the fact that BJ does everything too late to have any effect.

I’m against the fact that there is no long term or even short term plan.

The public are treated like children/ just told what not to do with no rhyme or reason.

If this was being done with planning and purpose and we were being treated with respect like NZ say - I’d support this Lockdown.

@pontypridd - I have disagreed profoundly with the premises of your OP and subsequent posts. This, however, I do agree with
BunsyGirl · 01/11/2020 07:57

@Pixxie7 your comments were undermining the impact of the lockdown for a lot of people. For that, you should be ashamed of yourself.

flybai · 01/11/2020 08:02
diplodocusinermine · 01/11/2020 08:03

I don't know if trying for a NZ style approach would work - look at how desperate people were for their 2 weeks in Spain (and it looks as if the strain currently overwhelming the NW can be explained by people returning from Spanish holidays and not isolating). NZ have basically allowed no-one in but citizens returning, and any returnees have had to isolate very strictly. Plus, NZ have a population a tenth of the UK on a larger landmass - it has to make a difference.

MadameBlobby · 01/11/2020 08:04

I do think this pandemic has shown us up as quite a selfish nation generally

I think this country had already shown that by voting for Brexit and then electing the Tories. Neither were an act for the collective good. Why are people surprised? There’s been a “me first” attitude here for years now.

Pixxie7 · 01/11/2020 08:05

BunsyGir@ why exactly all I’ve said is that it’s not a proper lockdown of course I am aware of the devastation to many people. Which is why I think that a sorter sharper lockdown would be more beneficial than one that is in my opinion is half hearted.

MadameBlobby · 01/11/2020 08:06

I actually think in the modern age we live in people are being very spoiled to say this is a shit way of living.

You do realise people have list their jobs?

MadameBlobby · 01/11/2020 08:06

Lost

ILoveYoga · 01/11/2020 08:07

People like you are likely why we’re where we are.

MadameBlobby · 01/11/2020 08:07

@Pixxie7

BunsyGir@ why exactly all I’ve said is that it’s not a proper lockdown of course I am aware of the devastation to many people. Which is why I think that a sorter sharper lockdown would be more beneficial than one that is in my opinion is half hearted.
Who is it not a “proper lockdown “?

We might get infections down quicker of we closed schools but we need kids to be educated.

midgebabe · 01/11/2020 08:07

I wasn't sure that Brexit was selfish, I think s lot of people who voted that way did so out of hope for something better (having been sold a lie)

I do think some people are showing selfish attitudes, but when you feel your life being torn to shreds, Work taken away from you, your normal props of family and friends taken away, I don't think you can be blamed for thinking about yourself and family, desperately trying to find a better solution

YouJustDoYou · 01/11/2020 08:08

Daily Fail just reported over 1000 people applied for a £9 ph waiter job, only for it to be cancelled because of new lockdown. People are desperate for work. Desperate. But only those sitting in financial security cannot understand the sheer worry and panic and fear that comes with having no job for the foreseeable future. It's not just a case of "just four weeks". Unemployment can last for a long, long time. But it's great for you all that can't understand that - that's great for you that you can sit at home and have no worries because you have jobs or enough furlough to keep you going into jobs and businesses that can survive more lockdowns. My friend's business has collapsed. She's vomiting and losing weight out of sheer stress and fear for the future. My husband's company is about to collapse - this lockdown will be the last nail. The company won't survive. I work as a nursery worker, but when parents lose their jobs, they can't afford extended nursery care, our staff get put on furlough (severely low paid in the first place, 60% of that, and they can barely pay bills in the first place let alone on reduced pay when they're not needed to fulfil staffing levels in the nurseries). Great you all can afford it. Try and remember that not everyone is as fortunate as you.

SunshineCake · 01/11/2020 08:09

You can't argue with people who can't do any critical thinking.

HairyToity · 01/11/2020 08:11

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