Should we submit to the lockdown or fight back?

[pontypridd]

Just this.

I feel scared writing it. I know I'll be flamed.

But how long can people live like this for? I've lost so many family over the years - my mum too when I was young. We all get sick and die.

We can't lock up the whole world because of Covid. Are we just all going to submit? Or do we, should we fight for our freedom?

@Pixxie7 No lockdown?! You’re having a laugh. Do you know how many of my friends are having to close their businesses next week?!! Just because life is carrying on for you, doesn’t mean that it is for other people.

This thread worries me more than the virus. The level of insults and vitriol being thrown across a dividing wall makes me want to weep at how divided we are allowing ourselves to become.

Both sides of any argument between every day people, about COVID, have people who are desperately worried about themselves, their families, vulnerable friends, their livelihoods and how to keep a roof over their heads, their mental well being, their children's future and so on. In many cases while hearing news of our bumbling government cashing in on the crisis for personal gain and then feeling despondent and frustrated and powerless.

If we cannot see that and offer a differing opinion with some empathy for each other then all is lost.

What OP!!!!!? Of course you do comply with the lockdown!

@m0therofdragons

Okay, I really need a mn break. I can’t deal with the level of idiocy. It’s not just about you dying it’s about putting doctors in a position where they would have to play God and choose who gets a ventilator and who doesn’t, then they have to live with that trauma. No doctor wants to make that call ever. So fighting back actually means behaving like a self absorbed selfish prick.

^this^

Op I’m a bit surprised by your comments, you seem ill informed, like you didn’t even bother to watch the press conf, if you had have done youd not be making the comment that they don’t explain why. They clearly do

In addition lock downs fo work, we have. The evidence of that from the spring, it manages to suppress it. Clearly they don’t eradicate it, but no one said they do, I’m sure that’s not what you meant by “work “ though.

I will comply but like many people hate it, however I can see the reasoning for it, and how they are trying to do it with limiting the impact on kids and the economy, ie keeping schools and industry open, except retail leisure and personal etc.

The whole thing is a shit show, but an over whelmed nhs is something I’m fairly sure you’d also complain about.

BunsyGirl@ it’s not a full lockdown.

@pontypridd

What is your specific reason for wanting to fight?

What do you want to be doing that you can’t do?

Can you not see the link between more people carrying on as normal leading to even harsher rules? What would you do instead?

@YouJustDoYou

One month. For the sakes of saving lives. By just staying home. With access to food and essentials. Come on. Is it so hard

Great for people that have a paid life after. Not great for people where "just one month" will be the final nail in the coffin of their jobs. Onto benefits they go. No jobs available. Can't pay mortgage. Loses home. And it snowballs. Its alright and fine and dandy for those who have money coming in no matter what, or who have savings. Mind you, lots of people I know on benefits actually get given more than I earn in a month, so, maybe a life on benefits will actually be more beneficial to me.

I'd be willing to campaign for better support for those affected financially by lockdown.

Don't agree about people being better off on benefits though. UK benefits are brutal even if you've paid in for decades. Our system is pretty unpleasant.

The government didn't make the virus.

It's people like you OP that have got us to where we are.

@Guylan

The only fighting worth doing is fighting for this wretched govt to use this month to dramatically improve the shambolic test, trace and isolate system which should never have been given to private companies to run when our NHS and public health teams across the country had the expertise.

Follow the money and it becomes crystal clear why the decision was made to go with a private firm.

Follow all the money and it becomes clear why a brand new, inexperienced, 5 day old company with no assets at all and just £100 in the business account was given a multi million pound PPE contract over a long established UK firm who were offering help.

Follow more money and it become clear why fee paying guests at an event hosted by the wife of an MP were, in the last couple of nights, given access to highly confidential vaccine plans including details of where the government planned to invest money.

Follow more money and find a grant of thousands of pounds given to a Tory doner to prop up a business run by his 17 year school-going son to help that business survive the winter. Even though it's a summer only business.

Keep following the money. The money never lies.

It’s one bloody month (hopefully). If people like you “fight back” whatever that means it’s you ruining it for the rest of us and you who will mean more lockdowns/ this one being extended. If everyone really only went out to the supermarket once a week. Wore the right mask. Wore gloves. Went straight home. We’d contain this.

Until the old people march in large groups in the streets saying How Dare the govt trash their grandchildren's future -- we're all stuffed. There is no other form of fighting back that can change things.

The government didn't make the virus but the government did make bad decisions that have made the virus worse.

Need a MN break too. Dislike the human race. I dont understand when people became so weak. I'm talking about those who are simply in a huff because they can't meet with others or go shopping or on holiday. Then use poor mental health as an excuse when all they mean is that they feel upset that they are now inconvenienced, making a mockery of real mental health issues.

@Pixxie7 Not for you maybe but try telling that to people who own beauty and hairdressing businesses, clothes shops, furniture shops, bars, cafes, restaurants, gyms, soft play....I could go on. I know a lot of those people. Their livelihoods are being destroyed.

Just like he told us it would be "twelve weeks"?Just like he told us it would "normalish by Christmas"?

Firstly he didn’t say it would be just twelve weeks. He said he’d review it each time. Last night he said he’d move to tiers after four weeks. And he never said it would be normalish by Xmas. He said Xmas would be different this year.

Honestly if you can’t even be arsed informing yourself why comment on stuff you made up in your head?

OP, I completely get your struggling. I hope you have people who love you to lean on. Maybe you can plan in some things for next year? We have a jar we collect our ideas in so we remember how special the little things are when we can eventually do them again. It also helps us to put little things is regularly each week, like ordering stuff to craft with or make a special pudding, having a series on TV we only watch on one night, video call with relatives etc.
I know it’s tough, but even the people on here who are having a go are probably completely fed up and scared. In real life most of them are nice enough, it’s just strange times and the internet can bring out the worst in everyone. We’re lucky we live in a country where we are mostly in control of our lives, we don’t have huge natural disasters or wars to cope with, but that also makes us doubt ourselves and our strength. We can pull together or fragment over these things....if you need a way to do more and get out and see people more a ‘loophole’ is you can volunteer at a food bank or something. It would get you out and amongst people while getting you out of your own head for a while.
Anyway, stay strong and look at the middle distance, you will get through this to better times.

'submit' is an odd choice of words

An attempt to make compliance something wrong? Rather than the way out of this mess - look at how Far East Asian countries are doing

@friendlycat

God there are some stupid people on this planet. How are you going to fight a virus? Get your sword out?

Well it's obvious that the OP means fight against the lockdown not the virus. I will still be seeing my family in my house. So fuck off Boris.

@pontypridd

Just this.

I feel scared writing it. I know I'll be flamed.

But how long can people live like this for? I've lost so many family over the years - my mum too when I was young. We all get sick and die.

We can't lock up the whole world because of Covid. Are we just all going to submit? Or do we, should we fight for our freedom?

For heavens' sake this isn't the Alamo. Stop being such a drama llama.

Fight! get out that MAGA hat! Infowars 4EVA! rolls eyes

@Bluntness100

Just like he told us it would be "twelve weeks"?Just like he told us it would "normalish by Christmas"?

Firstly he didn’t say it would be just twelve weeks. He said he’d review it each time. Last night he said he’d move to tiers after four weeks. And he never said it would be normalish by Xmas. He said Xmas would be different this year.

Honestly if you can’t even be arsed informing yourself why comment on stuff you made up in your head?

I think the op was talking about previous statements by BJ - in which has absolutely used the twelve week and normal Christmas statements.

Promising overly optimistic outcomes is a key trait of his.

Oh grow up!!
Complying with the rules and guidance for the good of yourself, your family and your community doesn’t make you some weak minded follower as much as becoming a mumsnet expert on infectious diseases doesn’t make you know better than SAGE or any of Germany’s, France or Belgium’s leading scientists

Everyone’s entitled to an opinion in this world but it doesn’t make you right

Hunker down and get through it what else can we do?

@Bluntness100

Just like he told us it would be "twelve weeks"?Just like he told us it would "normalish by Christmas"?

Firstly he didn’t say it would be just twelve weeks. He said he’d review it each time. Last night he said he’d move to tiers after four weeks. And he never said it would be normalish by Xmas. He said Xmas would be different this year.

Honestly if you can’t even be arsed informing yourself why comment on stuff you made up in your head?

@Bluntness100 You are the arse here. He did say months ago it would be normal by Christmas

BunsyGirl@ your making assumptions about me. Of course it affects me but not as much as a lot of my friends from the nhs.

[quote BlackPetunia]@SeverusSnape1 which businesses should refuse to close?[/quote]
Oh, that’s easy - the ones @SeverusSnape1 likes to shop / eat / have hair cut at [delete as applicable]