Are holidays still allowed?

[pontypridd]

Or going to holiday homes?

The thing is, some of the COVID instructions have been 'rules' or 'guidance'.

Once parliament passes this, probably on Tuesday, it will be the law.

It feels tricky because on an individual level it doesn't always make sense. Some of it didn't mean to make sense on a national / collective level. But they are clearly serious about passing a law aimed at stopping people travelling from area to area. And in principle, you can see why.

@Summerfreeze

FWIW it was people using what they thought was "common sense", based on their previous experience and ignoring the rules that led to, amongst other things, the Challenger accident...

Anyhow enjoy your outings to your second home....

I’m really sorry for people that have more faith in this government than in their own common sense.

I will enjoy my time at my house, thank you. Pretty sure it won’t lead to any catastrophic accidents in space.

You all enjoy your rule-sanctioned haircuts and eyebrow appointments and meals out and gatherings with friends. Whatever you think of my actions, it’s just a fact that your legal actions will cause more infections. Which is what we should really be worrying about.

We won't be having hair cuts, eyebrow appointments, meals out of gatherings with friends - because those are all now against the rules too, along with going to a second home! So no, we won't be "enjoying our rule-sanctioned haircuts" etc! My haircut due next week will have to be postponed again, after already being postponed twice.

@RainingBatsAndFrogs

The thing is, some of the COVID instructions have been 'rules' or 'guidance'.

Once parliament passes this, probably on Tuesday, it will be the law.

It feels tricky because on an individual level it doesn't always make sense. Some of it didn't mean to make sense on a national / collective level. But they are clearly serious about passing a law aimed at stopping people travelling from area to area. And in principle, you can see why.

Yes I can. Mixing with anyone is a risk, and mixing localities even more so.

I'm firmly of the belief this would be over (or at least a whole lot better) if compliance and common sense had prevailed and I'm feeling more than a bit narky I'm paying the price for others selfish behaviour (having a bad day lol).

I am a reasonable law abiding person however. Hence my frustration and dilemma

@Jungfraujoch

It clearly states no travelling to second homes. What bit of that is not clear for fuck’s sake.

Tbf yesterday it wasn’t clear at all, it said travel in U.K. is discouraged

Today; yes it has become clear

Been thinking about this... My friend lives in London and her husband works in Scotland; and flies back and forth every Friday and Monday; as he works there and goes weekly he doesn’t even have to quarantine at all!

justgeton

I know. It is incredibly frustrating.
The whole sorry mess.

First lockdown too late.
Flights from Spain not stopped soon enough.
Idiots.
July 4th, too much, too soon and without the T&T in place that could have helped contain outbreaks.
Mask? What's that?
WooHoo - everyone go out and eat half price burgers. And go on holiday...quarantine when you get back (yeah right...)
Just in time to get the infection rate right up again....
For everyone to go to UNI!
And once again...lockdown too late!

It is frustrating, and pretty miserable.

This time, if we are going to lock down (and infection, hospitalisation and death rates did fall las time) I hope they police it, make it work, and make it effective. But...students are all in halls, kids in schools, people doing their best to work around it all, and blatant idiots screeching Rights and Conspiracy Theories.

I am having a glass of wine.

@RainingBatsAndFrogs

justgeton

I know. It is incredibly frustrating.
The whole sorry mess.

First lockdown too late.
Flights from Spain not stopped soon enough.
Idiots.
July 4th, too much, too soon and without the T&T in place that could have helped contain outbreaks.
Mask? What's that?
WooHoo - everyone go out and eat half price burgers. And go on holiday...quarantine when you get back (yeah right...)
Just in time to get the infection rate right up again....
For everyone to go to UNI!
And once again...lockdown too late!

It is frustrating, and pretty miserable.

This time, if we are going to lock down (and infection, hospitalisation and death rates did fall las time) I hope they police it, make it work, and make it effective. But...students are all in halls, kids in schools, people doing their best to work around it all, and blatant idiots screeching Rights and Conspiracy Theories.

I am having a glass of wine.

Me too.

Cheers 🍷

It's only outbound travel that will be affected?

Inbound travel into the UK will be continuing as normal. Is that right?

I read something about this very early this morning. Things might've been clarified since then.

I hope so - otherwise it makes all of this rather pointless.

International travellers continue to be free to arrive at our airports - and then on to busy public transport. No proper checks or quarantine. Free to spread Covid.

I do hope what I read was a misunderstanding. If not, I can quite understand why anybody here might feel especially aggrieved at being told not to travel!

I suppose until he has thrown it out there, seen a response and then made a decision to actually make an official announcement we won't really know.

But I fear we may be in deja-vue, flights will continue to land here in checked and we will have no control over the movement of people with the virus.

Land here un checked sorry not in checked

That's my concern too.

Two fingers up to the struggling hospitality industry if so. And to us all.

Restrictions are worth it - if they are effective. That very importantly includes closed borders (exception genuinely essential travel).

I hope it's just us being cynics. I'll wait with hope for the fine details to be announced.

Here's the view from a frequent flyer and aviation specialist, Alex Macheras. Professor Devi Sridhar (one of the scientific advisers to the Scottish government) retweeted his sensible post:

It makes zero sense to restrict outbound international travel without implementing border controls, testing & measures to manage the inbound flow of passengers.

(East Asia’s view on UK: Any progress with #Lockdown2 will be wiped out by UK continuing to reimport the virus)

Lockdowns are tough. Worth it to actually contain the virus. If we're not going to do that then it's a pointless hardship.

Pretty sure the one hour a day exercise does not include going on holiday

There's no rule saying exercise is limited to an hour. There never was, even back in March.

It's all pointless regardless of 1, 2, 3 hour, or all day exercise. What with unrestricted inbound travel. Closing hospitality businesses for no good reason (because we certainly won't see containment).

flights will continue to land here in checked and we will have no control over the movement of people with the virus.

To me it doesn't look like in reality there's ever been much control in the UK over movement of people with the virus.....whether they have travelled abroad or not.

Anyhow as far as flights go I think the effect of the outbound ban will be to reduce flights both out of and into the UK.

With even fewer passengers leaving the UK than in late summer the economics of operating many round trips to the UK will become even more problematic if aircraft leaving the country are going to be largely empty - restricting outbound passengers will probably further limit the number of passengers inbound.

There has never been a 'one hour' exercise rule.

It there's reduced flights for inbound than even less reason not to introduce rules properly restricting it. Just to be on the safe side.

We need to do this properly this time round. The restrictions are too much hardship to not make sure they actually work.

@SheepandCow

It's only outbound travel that will be affected?

Inbound travel into the UK will be continuing as normal. Is that right?

I read something about this very early this morning. Things might've been clarified since then.

I hope so - otherwise it makes all of this rather pointless.

International travellers continue to be free to arrive at our airports - and then on to busy public transport. No proper checks or quarantine. Free to spread Covid.

I do hope what I read was a misunderstanding. If not, I can quite understand why anybody here might feel especially aggrieved at being told not to travel!

But there won’t be much bound traffic surely as airlines will largely suspend outbound flights (as EasyJet have done), meaning there will be limited inbound flights

@MrDarcysMa

Pretty sure the one hour a day exercise does not include going on holiday

Government advice makes clear you can stay outside all bloody day if you want to

How are they policing this? Someone in work has booked to go to Canary Islands tomorrow, it was a late booking.

I think holidays before Thursday are still allowed to go ahead. They should check with their operator though.

That's what I would like to know @LittleRen. They say flights for holidays are 'banned', but who is monitoring it? How do they know you are flying for work, or for a holiday, or because you have another essential reason like a very ill relative. I cant see flight attendants taking on the role of deciding who has an essential reason for travel and who doesnt.

I have a feeling my co worker's plans may come unstuck when he gets out there and the return flights may be cancelled or reduced!

One wonders what are the "legally permitted exemptions" on international travel other than for work? Has the law been published yet does anyone know? For instance a foreign national wishing to fly home to visit a dying parent say if they can get a flight.