Are holidays still allowed?

[pontypridd]

Or going to holiday homes?

@Summerfreeze

And people like you are the problem.

I think people ha e genuinely lost sight of what the problem actually is. I’m highly unlikely to spread Covid the way I live my life. I haven’t had a single unrelated person in my house since March. I haven’t been into anyone else’s house since March. I haven’t been into a single pub, restaurant, cafe, hotel, beauty salon, hairdressers, non-essential shop, club, leisure centre etc. How many people can say the same? Yet you want to pretend that me going door to door from one empty house to another is ‘the problem’. Don’t be so silly.

I wish someone would identify a risk in this instead of just bleating about it bring them rules'.

The rule is obviously there to stop friends or family mixing across the country. Or mixing in communities. But essentially isolation in another house following every other to the extreme. What's so wrong

Because it is unnecessary

Yet you want to pretend that me going door to door from one empty house to another is ‘the problem’.

People not following the rules is the problem so yes, you are part of the problem. Stop making excuses.

If you think about it like the Cummings example:

Because he did something against the rules, many, many people have broken the rules who would not otherwise do so.

If you break the rules, someone may say 'Well, she did it so I will too'. The first person to copy you may also be safe. However the person to copy them may well not be so safe, and the 10th and 11th may take Covid with them.

If we personally stick to the rules, then it makes it much more likely that - at a whole population level - more people will. Which is what is required to contain the virus so that genuinely essential things - like children's education; cancer service etc - can remain open.

The rule is obviously there to stop friends or family mixing across the country. Or mixing in communities. But essentially isolation in another house following every other to the extreme. What's so wrong

The point is that the rules have to be simple. You can't say "You have to stay in your own home and not travel to your other pile of bricks unless you pinky swear that you've been very good with everything else and will follow all the other vague rules that we've added exceptions to for all the Special People"

@OverTheRainbow88

Our holiday home is 2 hours Away, we fill up petrol before we leave, buy the food before we leave and take it with us. Once there we go to the beach, playgrounds and everything outside. We buy cuppas and food from outside stools as snacks etc.

It says travel within the U.K. is discouraged.
We will be going.

Then you are a selfish, inconsiderate fool who is making things worse.

But essentially isolation in another house following every other to the extreme. What's so wrong

Because of the worries of something akin to "mission creep" happening.

Person A travels from home to second home without stopping for refuelling and doesn't interact with the locals when at second home..

Person B sees what person A does and thinks "I'll have a bit of that", but stops to refuel, because "no harm in that".

Person C sees what person B does, thinks: " I'll" etc but stops to refuel and also shops in the local corner shop, just the once, on arrival at second home....

etc etc, and before long it all unravels and you have people driving to check their eye sight..

It is worth pointing out that, despite its low cases, SW England is one of the two areas due to run out of hospital capacity first.

Yep - only 2 hospitals in the entire SW.

I wish someone would identify a risk in this instead of just bleating about it bring them rules'.

Well one risk mentioned on this thread is that rural areas (those with a high proportion of second homes) often have the least healthcare provision, precisely because the permanent population is low. Can you not see why that might be an issue?

And to summerfreeze - A proper community is not defined as "those people owning homes in X area". It's more nuanced than that. Genuinely being part of a local community arises through someone's level of engagement with it, not by default because of a postcode and a council tax payment. Knowing your neighbours, looking out for them, getting involved in things taking place locally etc. is what most people would think of when you ask them what it means to be part of a "community".

Someone who doesn't own a house in my village but regularly volunteers to work on the village nature reserve is far more part of this community than someone who visits for a few weeks a year and doesn't even visit the local shop because they get everything delivered.

@SandrasAnnoyingFriend it sounds to me that would be an exception and you can travel for contact as they said children should be able to see non resident parents

@SeverusSnape1

Holidays were allowed during the first lockdown so I don't see why that would change now.

Eh? No they weren't !

I've read something this morning that implies you shouldn't be visiting a holiday home during lockdown.

Also, I get a sense of the same type of attitude from some on here as with the MMR vaccines - thinking you know best because you are well educated and can argue a case (that suits you!) well. Badly done.

@Charleyhorses

I am my Mums sole source of support. She is 80 with cognitive issues. She also lives 170 miles away. I will travel to see her. I think that this is allowed. But frankly I cannot not do what I did before and leave her on her own for months cos I followed the rules.

My understanding is that this has always been an exception and you can travel for care purposes .

I wish someone would identify a risk in this instead of just bleating about it bring them rules'.

The rule is obviously there to stop friends or family mixing across the country. Or mixing in communities. But essentially isolation in another house following every other to the extreme. What's so wrong

Exactly. I’d rather the person stood next to me in the pharmacy was living as I do than was someone who had stuck to the rules and had gone out to a restaurant recently to show their 5 friends their great new haircut and clothes.

I’ve read something this morning that implies you shouldn't be visiting a holiday home during lockdown.

Yes, yesterday is was discouraged, today it’s not allowed.

People always think they are in a unique position. We have a holiday home in Dorset, which is where my OH family live. He works for the family business, always has and will. He sleeps in our holiday home 4 nights most weeks. He either comes back thurs eve or we go there for the weekend. It’s tricky, but hopefully only for another 4 weeks!!!

And to summerfreeze - A proper community is not defined as "those people owning homes in X area". It's more nuanced than that. Genuinely being part of a local community arises through someone's level of engagement with it, not by default because of a postcode and a council tax payment. Knowing your neighbours, looking out for them, getting involved in things taking place locally etc. is what most people would think of when you ask them what it means to be part of a "community".

Sorry but that’s not true. The community is made up of all sorts of people. You’re talking about something looser like ‘community spirit’ which is a changeable definition based on somebody’s interpretation. However I use my house, and however you feel about it based on how you use your house, I’m part of the community.

@Summerfreeze

What difference does being in your second home make rather than being in your primary one?

I’ll still be going to mine. I pay council tax in that area and need to maintain my property. Plus it’s my house. I don’t accept it being against the law to go to my own house, sorry.

I think the reasons are around travel from one part of the country to another so risk of spreading virus, particularly as many holiday home owners are from urban areas where there are high incidence of cases and their holiday homes are in rural or coastal areas where there is less medical provision.

I agree it must be frustrating being told you can't go somewhere that you own though We has been considering purchasing a holiday home and seeing what happened in lockdown earlier this year was a big factor in putting us off .

I’d rather the person stood next to me in the pharmacy was living as I do than was someone who had stuck to the rules

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_of_deviance

@Summerfreeze the excuse that supported Cummings was that he had travelled for child care . Not that he has travelled to his second home .

I do think it's a shame for all those people who has holidays cancelled earlier in the year and had rebooked them for November abs now cancelled again . Especially if they haven't got away at all this year .

We had a UK break planned next weekend , obviously will cancel now and rebook when it's allowed again , be that December or next Spring .

I’d rather the person stood next to me in the pharmacy was living as I do than was someone who had stuck to the rules

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_of_deviance

Hahaha omg that’s seriously reaching! I’m amazed people set so much faith in the government to keep them safe with The Rulez rather than having a little common sense.

Rural hospitals are set up to cope with their local population, by travelling to them in this current climate you just risk putting more stress on them.
Then again if you are the sort of person who buys a second home in a rural area, making housing unattainable for the local community, then you are a selfish arse anyway.
I've lost 2 colleagues to Covid now and it's knackered my kidneys, (there's a complication you dont hear much about!!) Just stay home folks.

Hahaha omg that’s seriously reaching! I’m amazed people set so much faith in the government to keep them safe with The Rulez rather than having a little common sense.

The problem with "this" government is they very effectively sanctioned "Normalisation of Deviance" from their own rules by not sanctioning Cummings.....

FWIW it was people using what they thought was "common sense", based on their previous experience and ignoring the rules that led to, amongst other things, the Challenger accident...

Anyhow enjoy your outings to your second home....

@shinynewapple2020 then how did I go on holiday? I didn't teleport to another country

Then again if you are the sort of person who buys a second home in a rural area, making housing unattainable for the local community, then you are a selfish arse anyway.

As I suspected, a lot of this is about people with chips on their shoulders about second home owners, who don’t really understand how these things work. Me buying a house didn’t make the rest of them unattainable for other people. Just bought a house same as everyone else.