Are holidays still allowed?

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Or going to holiday homes?

The Gvt website has a whole section headed Travel .

What is laid out in the Gvt website is what this week the Gvt will vote in as Law to be in force 1 min after midnight on Thursday.

“11. Travel ...
...Overnight stays and holidays away from primary residences will not be allowed- including holidays in the UK and abroad. This includes staying in a second home if you own one, or staying with anyone you do not live with or are in a support bubble with. There are specific exceptions, for example if you need to stay away from home (including in a second home) for work purposes.“

www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november

It’s not allowed end of whatever the rights and wrongs of it.

Some people are just twats. They will always prioritise what they want to do over everything else.

@SandrasAnnoyingFriend

Yes I'd thought the flight being cancelled was quite likely anyway If it's still going I can't see OH not trying to get there though.

If the flight does happen, he will most likely have to quarantine for two weeks when he gets there and two weeks on return to UK.

@GalaxyCookieCrumble

I’m sure @Dontfuckingsaycheese is not normally so rude, only when exasperated by people asking dumb questions about ways to bend the Covid rules in order to carry on their lives as normal.

@OverTheRainbow88

I thought holiday home was ok, but advised against.

Travel within the U.K. is Discouraged but not banned!

So we will be going to ours!

Hope you’ve had a rethink after reading the new lockdown rules. We are all supposed to be in this together, after all.

@Bwlch

It's really really clear. No holidays - second home or no second home!

That's OK then. We would be working in our second home, not taking a holiday.

Why do you need to travel to your second home to work? What’s wrong with your primary home? The restrictions will still apply wherever you are so what would be the point, or do you have a nicer view from your window there?

You can't stay overnight anywhere, so imagine that includes a holiday. And it's essential travel only and going to your own holiday home is not essential.

@Summerfreeze

What difference does being in your second home make rather than being in your primary one?

I’ll still be going to mine. I pay council tax in that area and need to maintain my property. Plus it’s my house. I don’t accept it being against the law to go to my own house, sorry.

And people like you are the problem.

@ImEatingVeryHealthilyOhYes

Go before Thursday and back in December, all fine. Travel within those dates and on your conscience be it

Sadly, people that break the rules don’t have a conscience.

@SheepandCow

FFS whatever the rights and wrongs of the rest of your argument who cares what Dominic Cummings did. If he jumped off a cliff, would you follow?

Exactly. When will people stop using the DC fiasco as the example we should all follow?

Well now the guidelines have changed over night we will follow them. Going this morning and I’ll come back tomo eve; and my OH and kids will come home wed night.

@crackofdoom

I live in Cornwall, and in the last lockdown I got pretty distressed by all the people locally who posted what I thought to be unnecessarily aggressive stuff about second home owners and visitors on social media, and, in some cases, on big signs in the village. However, having read some of the attitudes of second home owners on this thread, I'm starting to think that that aggression was justified. "Part of the community" my arse. What does that mean- you have a cup of tea with your cleaner every now and again?

Well said!

Second home owners with attitudes like SummerBreeze are definitely not part of my community. Part of being part a community is about caring about others, working together etc. Paying council tax is a legal obligation, nothing to do with you being part of the local community.

"I'm alright Jack" is not what communities are about.

@SheepandCow

Much as I don't agree with any non essential travel (including MPs), it's a fair point made by Summer freeze. If she lives in a city, especially London, she's much more likely to use up a bed space there than in a less under pressure rural area. The very reason London's hospitals got overwhelmed in April (Birmingham too) is because a virus spreads more easily amongst densely housed populations. People are more spread out in holiday home areas - meaning massive spread is less likely.

How many hospital beds do you think rural areas have? How many ICU beds? Not bloody many.

Most of the rural areas in the north are served by hospitals in places like Leeds, Bradford etc when it comes to intensive care. These are the very places that are currently worst hit.

I live in rural northern England (an area popular with second home owners). We currently have higher COVID rates than many more populated areas of the South East, and our nearest hospital is already cancelling procedures as it has run out of inpatient beds.

I honestly think a lot of this is about people feeling some kind of inverted snobbery about others having second homes.

Yes… it's all becuse we are so jealous of how special you re having a second pile of bricks somewhere else. It was fuck all to do with the virus rampaging through the population. FFS. 🙄

We don't have a hope in hell of getting this under control with all the Special People who don't have to follow any of the prevention measures. Threads like this explain a lot if you expand the number of Special People across the whole population.

My son is in the forces and is due home on leave this week. We are in Wales and travel is discouraged too. However this is his home. His room on camp has no heating and has a leaking shower so he is coming home for his week off. I think this is essential travel. He will abide by local restrictions whilst home. Half of me is hoping that they will say that he can 'work from home' but I doubt it.

Why do you need to travel to your second home to work? What’s wrong with your primary home?

I don't have to but I could do. By working there, I wouldn't be going on "holiday" which seemed to be the bone of contention at the start of the thread.

The restrictions will still apply wherever you are so what would be the point, or do you have a nicer view from your window there?

The restrictions may be different or not there at all, because it isn't in England (which is another reason we can't go before Thursday).The view from the window is irrelevant, not getting burst pipes (again) is.

However, things have moved on since I posted what you quoted. Somebody local has offered to do what needs doing.

It is worth pointing out that, despite its low cases, SW England is one of the two areas due to run out of hospital capacity first.

It doesn't have the large teaching hospitals of London, Manchester, Birmingham - and distances between health facilities are really high,. especially when specialised care such as ventilators is required.

So if second home owners decide to travel to these 'low incidence' areas (and remember that the virus can't travel if nobody travels), they are actively choosing to deprive locals of their access to very limited health facilities.

And people like you are the problem.

I think people ha e genuinely lost sight of what the problem actually is. I’m highly unlikely to spread Covid the way I live my life. I haven’t had a single unrelated person in my house since March. I haven’t been into anyone else’s house since March. I haven’t been into a single pub, restaurant, cafe, hotel, beauty salon, hairdressers, non-essential shop, club, leisure centre etc. How many people can say the same? Yet you want to pretend that me going door to door from one empty house to another is ‘the problem’. Don’t be so silly.

A "want" (we want to go to our holiday home) is not a need ie it's not essential. Jesus.

Second home owners with attitudes like SummerBreeze are definitely not part of my community. Part of being part a community is about caring about others, working together etc. Paying council tax is a legal obligation, nothing to do with you being part of the local community.

You don’t get to choose who is part of your community actually. There are plenty of people in every community who are not abiding by the rules. You don’t get to outlaw them. The percentage of time that I occupy MY home for and the reasons that I leave it or return to it are not anybody’s business and don’t make me any less a part of anything than the large groups of teens gathering in our community or the people having 8 people to little Sally’s birthday party.

@Summerfreeze but surely you can u understand that we all.need to follow the rules? Everyone could come up with some sort of Cummings excuse as to why the rules don't apply to them.

@EmmaGrundyForPM No I think we need to keep safe and keep others safe. It was in the rules to ‘eat out to help out’ for goodness sake. Actively encouraged! We now know it’s a root of many infections. My solo travel a relatively short distance from one isolated house to another is not.

It's against the rules though.

Summerbreeze,

Each of us deciding which parts of the rules don't apply to our particular circumstances is, unfortunately, what has landed us where we are.

We may not LIKE blanket rules. We may think that in our particular circumstances that rule doesn't apply. But unless we are willing for EVERY second home owner to go to their second home, then if there is a rule that NONE may go to their second home, it doesn't mean 'well, of course, we don't mean those few of you for whom it might be relatively low risk.'