So will anyone comply now?

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These pages all seem to have been about how the rules make no sense, there's no point while schools are open and people saying they'll assess their own risk but they're not going to risk their MH etc etc

Will this make a difference? It Doesn't matter what the rules are if no one follows them.

@Youandmeareluckytobeus I did amend to say as I intended, primark!!

Not much different to how it is now is it.... some shops closed,wfh,which some still do. Lots of things hadn’t gone back to anywhere near ‘normal’ things had tentatively opened offering limited service with restrictions... now they’ve gone again

The big lockdown is yet to come

I think the whole millennial/generation Z things get mixed up and people think that teenagers and very early twenties are millennials when they're gen z.

Ignoringequally some poepke have complained that younger Millennialls don’t comply! That’s all. And l only have my Millennialls and their friends as references. They are all being fantastic.

Didn’t mean to offend!

On Mumsnet people will comply and they police everyone who is even thinking of not complying.

But in real life. People will not comply 100%.
They will still see their boyfriends/girlfriends.
They will pop and see family.
They will let their children see other children.
They will go to their second homes.

My husband is a teacher so essentially socialises with 30 families a day - and yet we're not allowed to see our own parents? Total bollocks. We will absolutely be seeing family.

This is my situation - I am seeing multiple different people all day at work and that's how I feel, but its false logic.
Extra risk at work,you need to be more careful with your exposure elsewhere.And I have to keep reminding myself that in my friendship group I'm probably more of a risk to them than they are to me,even though I'm careful.
There was someone talking about this on R4 last week - saying we need to learn to budget risk like we budget money.

My husband is a teacher so essentially socialises with 30 families a day - and yet we're not allowed to see our own parents? Total bollocks. We will absolutely be seeing family

But that’s the same for anyone with children at school. I have two at primary in separate bubbles so that’s 60 families we’re ‘mixing’ with every day, plus teachers. I’m not seeing anyone else in order to keep the risk lower for the children and teachers at school.

Same- I’m nhs and stopped my contacts with family/friends too.

We’ll comply as we have been doing all along, but I really don’t recognise the high level of compliance that others have seen. Maybe I live in a particularly delinquent area, but the compliance around us has been terrible

Same here. The last few months have just been business as usual as far as I can see in the urban (tier3) densely populated area I live.

Hardly anyone wearing masks, no social distancing or gel use in shops, even though gel is provided by the doorways. People in and out of each others houses. Parties. People not isolating or quarantining when they should and even some bragging about it

I was at the doorway of a huge supermarket the other week and the string on my mask broke as I put it on. I let out a large sigh and the people behind me said "oh don't bother about that love, it doesnt matter, we never wear them, why bother chortle chortle"

Luckily the door staff were handing masks out, but people just walked past laughing. I'm not exaggerating. I wish i was

Luckily the door staff were handing masks out, but people just walked past laughing. I'm not exaggerating. I wish i was

Wow, that's shocking. Round here everyone wears masks. And if someone in a supermarket doesn't, they get angry looks.

Could the Government not make it a legal requirement? And shops would have to enforce it?

Wow, that's shocking. Round here everyone wears masks. And if someone in a supermarket doesn't, they get angry looks.

Could the Government not make it a legal requirement? And shops would have to enforce it?

We did have measures in place back in the first lockdown days. Queues, markers, guidance, only so many allowed in at a time, but this seems to have gradually fallen away and for the last few months it's been back to normal again

I'm not sure what the answer is. The example I gave of the person handing out masks at the doorway is a good example of the problem. A large supermarket, in the middle of a very densely populated urban area (small housing/northern etc) but the lad handing out the masks was only little and young. People in and out all the time, some in groups, rushing about, brushing past. Packed out, no social distancing at all.

I think maybe there is a need to employ some big burley security. The supermarkets have a responsibility to do this I think and it's not as if they've lost money the way other businesses have

Places will be closed largely where people mix.

Do they not get that for schools to stay open everything non essential needs to stop?

[quote CherryPieface]@KeyLimePies his people leaked the story! In fact, leak is not right, they briefed the right wing media in great detail. The only reason he didn’t expect to hold a press conference is because he underestimated how angry the public would be.

His press team told the public the briefing would be at 4pm. Then 5pm. Then later, later, later. He was in control of timings and still royally f*cked it up.[/quote]
Boris and his team like to let the minions wait .

Let them wait . Let them eat cake . Nah , make that .

Yes but mostly because everything we do you can still do.

My husband and I can still go to work but do some work at home where we can. We can still go for a walk or to the park. Kids still going to school. Grandparents can still provide childcare sometimes if they wish, and it’s okay if they don’t wish we will work it out.

The only real difference for us is that the kids can’t go to their swimming lessons and we can’t meet our friends. Kids can’t stay overnight with grandparents either I assume. We only see our friends once a month or so anyway.

I guess we are lucky.

Absolutely MN is another universe compared to IRL! How on earth do you all know everyone you know is complying? As winter bites and people get more and more fed up of government lies and propaganda;

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/01/governments-lose-control-virus-revolt-civil-unrest-continent

Pandemics always create protest and unrest. And also political and social change.

It’s a known historical link

I am actually amazed at people saying non compliance with basics such as mask wearing is so high. I lived in the SW and every person in a shop wears a mask, uses hand gel, generally keeps their distance. Every person I see on a bus is wearing a mask. The kids take it off when they get off the school bus in the afternoon, so they comply. I dont see parties or big get togethers on my road (60 houses). People even still keep their distance when out walking the dog.

Admittedly, I think people will break the rules with family visiting as there are many old people here who continued to see their family through the first lockdown. I didnt see anyone through the last lockdown, but I myself will probably break the rules this time around to see my friend in the playground or a walk in the park. We have small children, we are on maternity leave, and compliance means speaking to nobody bar our husbands only from 7pm onwards for the next month. It's easier to comply when your kids are in school, you work and see people daily, you get out of the house or even wfh and have a purpose and goals every day. When you have small kids and no job, its 4 walls, all day, alone, with a non verbal small human who screams at you.

Is it wrong that I'm sort of excited to see what nonsense the dafter scions of MN can come up with this time?

Not at all. I can't wait to see what we'll see as the salivating lockdown lovers start twitching those net curtains.

We need some sort of bingo card or drinking game.

I am worried people will think there is little point in complying when schools and non essential businesses are still open, with little/no SD.

Without a "proper" lockdown this is just going to drag on and on and on.

Dont have a lot of choice really do we?
Apart from taking the gym and classes away from (which incidentally are extremely important possibly even essential to my mental health), there's not going to be much of a difference for me.

Can't wear a mask, so find shops, public transport etc ridiculously stressful. Also struggle with rule breakers, so haven't been going to any non essential shops after one trip where people wouldn't give me space.

I only run with/socialise with one person anyway, and she is my support as a vulnerable adult. I guess we'll be running local again as I cant get in her car, which means the local routes are gonna get boring again.

Hopefully my PT sessions will be allowed to go ahead, pretty sure they can as we're 1:2:1 outdoors. I have a race in early December that will hopefully go ahead, but if not I'll be running it locally. Thankfully there's no silly limit on the time I can exercise for.

Whattodo1610
In my local area few are complying .... it boils my blood. There’s nothing to make people comply, nothing is done to those who are flouting every rule.

Instead of another lockdown, how about actually enforcing and policing existing rules.

How?

orcus .. do you mean how are people not complying or how to enforce? I assume you mean enforce ....

Government needs to find a way. Police won’t/don’t ... shop workers don’t ... councils don’t ... so all that happens is people know they can get away with not complying and so they don’t.

During the first lockdown I’d say the majority complied ... then it’s just gone downhill and spiralled. Government Ministers blatantly flouted rules and nothing at all was done .. so lots of the general public took the same train of thought.

I’ve watched hairdressers working from home, parties, get togethers of multiple members, Sleepovers, non mask wearing, no social distancing.... the list is endless. I’ve know many things reported to police and councils - nothing at all done.

@SqidgeBum YY My town has one of the lowest infection rates in the country.