So will anyone comply now?

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These pages all seem to have been about how the rules make no sense, there's no point while schools are open and people saying they'll assess their own risk but they're not going to risk their MH etc etc

Will this make a difference? It Doesn't matter what the rules are if no one follows them.

@herewego87

Comply or die.

its three words, maybe Boris could use it for his next slogan

@Ignoringequally are you really a millenial? i'm 38, am i? i thought i was too old

@AuntyPonsonby

We've tended to exercise, errr ... "discretion" shall we say, and we'll continue I think.

I'm guessing there's a reason why those who are more law-abiding think everyone they know is. Our non-abiding friends tend to only discuss this with other non-abiding friends!

This.

I don't think it will work anyway. In 2014/15, there were 43,900 excess deaths in the winter... generally it's around 20,000 excess deaths in random year. Nobody talked about shutting down the country to save 40k people from dying from flu 6 years ago.

So, we all lockdown - except for schools, essential shops, keyworkers etc etc, and then we can all unlock in December, those who are still earning can hit the shops and the pubs, we can all travel over Xmas and NY to hug granny and have family turkey and then... hooray... we can all be locked down again in Jan/Feb/Mar.

I intend to continue exactly how I have for the last few months... which is probably more compliant than many of those who think they are obeying all the rules.

@Wishfulthinking1977 just waving at another 42 year old! Answer to everything didn't work out very well for us, did it! Anyway hope you can find some small scraps of joy somewhere in the next month, sounds super tough!!

@Tootletum waving back!!! Bloody crap isn't it!! Looking at the 90s feels so nostalgic now!! Hope your coping OK?! Xx

I think some people who are sure everyone they know in real life is complying may just not realise that people are lying to them. I don't tell the people who I think are complying that I'm not. I pretend I am just like them. Then I'm honest with the people who I know aren't complying either.

@Wishfulthinking1977 God yeah. Clinton was just shagging an intern, no 911, no Iraq, no tsunami, Iran was opening up, Pulp, Oasis, hilarious techno tracks (King of my castle, No Limits), Hacienda... I spend most of my time just daydreaming about it really!! Oh yeah and there was pretty much no Internet and people didn't argue with strangers online when IRL they'd probably all get on fine (if IRL is ever a thing again after this)...

@xtinak

I think some people who are sure everyone they know in real life is complying may just not realise that people are lying to them. I don't tell the people who I think are complying that I'm not. I pretend I am just like them. Then I'm honest with the people who I know aren't complying either.

Or you're justifying breaking the rules by telling yourself that "everybody does it".

Or you're justifying breaking the rules by telling yourself that "everybody does it".

The evidence suggests plenty are breaking the rules.
The chances of ALL your friends 100% complying are mathematically minimal.
The chances of some of them lying are pretty high.

@wanderings

I'll comply until 2nd December. If Saint Boris then pleads, in his usual style, since he can't even appear on time for a press conference where millions of people were waiting to see if they would earn anything a month: "just another week..." "just another week..." "just another week month..." "just another month year..." he can fucking do one.

I haven't forgotten "we can turn this virus around in twelve weeks".

Tbf, he wasn’t expecting to hold a press conference today, he was forced into it because the story was leaked to the press. Needing an extra 90 minutes to sort out a last minute presentation is hardly worth shooting him for.

I think people will have to comply to a certain extent.

But I can't see many people willingly, altruistically going out of their way to stay in as much as they can as they did in March.

The government has pissed too many people off and has managed this crisis just too badly.

Those complying will continue to do so, anyone who hasn't given a shit up till now I doubt magically will.*

*until it personally affects them.

Don’t most people stays in during winter anyway? I tend to hibernate a bit between Nov-March

People complying that I know. Even people with poor mental health are digging deep and getting on with it.

My husband is a teacher so essentially socialises with 30 families a day - and yet we're not allowed to see our own parents? Total bollocks. We will absolutely be seeing family.

I do find ways to justify it but not particularly the fact that others are doing it. They are though, and even some who were quite strict at the start.

@KeyLimePies his people leaked the story! In fact, leak is not right, they briefed the right wing media in great detail. The only reason he didn’t expect to hold a press conference is because he underestimated how angry the public would be.

His press team told the public the briefing would be at 4pm. Then 5pm. Then later, later, later. He was in control of timings and still royally f*cked it up.

I will be complying. But quite a few people I know do bend or interpret the rules differently to suit themselves.
We live in a tier 1 area which changed to tier 2 today. Someone texted me today to say she was dropping off her DD10 at a Halloween party at a local youth centre. Then she was picking her up and taking her to a friends house as 4 of them were having a sleepover!!

Yes of course we will comply, we are not selfish nor stupid

Yes I'll comply, however I'm totally gutted about the gyms. It was a socially distanced, very clean environment which I felt safe in. Gyms are so important to the wellbeing of people

Hey ho, will try and start running and the dog won't know what's coming again when he lives from 2 to 6 walks a day

Yes I don't know anyone apart from one very thick family who have broken the rules.

I feel MN is full of people who just cannot cope though.

@BlackPetunia

comply with what?? all he's done is close primary and the cafe down the road!!
Well you are obviously hard of listening if you think that is what the PM said.

Boris is no saint for sure (just google “Boris Jennifer Arcuri Technology Lessons”) but unfortunately he is right in saying that tightening of measures is unavoidable. Had this occurred sooner, 4 weeks might have been enough, but reading the numbers and past curves tell us that probably 6+ weeks will be needed, if not more.

We did not avoid 40k deaths through the March/April lockdown and we will not avoid another 40k+ by doing this. In both cases we are trying to avoid for that to become 80k or 160k, which is what exponential growth does unless something changes. The actual mortality seems to be around 0.5% to 1% (not 3% but also not 0.2%), so with a population of 60 million ... you do the maths, we are well into multiple hundreds of thousands of deaths i the UK if we do nothing.

Regarding how long this goes on for, some progress has already been made with the treatments, and if we can buy the doctors and clinical researchers some time by slowing this down, we can make sure people who do get it can have have the best possible treatments, and also hopefully get to having better treatments as well as an at least partially effective vaccine before everyone gets exposed.

This will not be over in 4 weeks, but I also do not believe it will take 4 years to make this much less deadly.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-considers-freezing-benefits-22712652?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Well yes. It doesn't make much difference to me. I can live without Primark for a month. And, er, that's it.

I still haven't gone back to the gym or restaurants. Still WFH. Family are 100 miles away so no one to mix with.

what additional funding will they provide to enable rough sleepers to be helped into Covid-safe accommodation as they were during the first lockdown