AIBU to think those who are against this Lockdown only care about themselves?

[Tier2Minus]

The way back to a healthy economy, to saving lives, to normal NHS function, to normal schooling for our kids and normal lives for ourselves is by getting the virus firmly under control like they have done in Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea.

Lazy, negative defeatist people talk down our country and say it can't be done. If those other countries can do it, of course Britain can do it too.

Those of us who care about our country would stay positive and make the effort.

Would you?

Average age of deaths with corona virus is 82.4 years old and there has also been a troubling rise in the number of people dying from any cause at home.

Nuffield Centre for Evidence based medicine.

Something is definitely not right here.

I don’t think it’s selfish of me to be genuinely worried that after this, and a no deal brexit, we won’t have an NHS at all. There won’t be any money left to pay for it.

I have a secure, well paid, job and my partner works from home also in a secure well paid job. I am extremely anti-lockdown.

Tier2minus I thought it would be nice to have an alternative to the

"Shut away millions of people so that I don't have to change a thing about MY life"

posts.

People aren't saying they don't want to change a thing about their lives. They're saying they don't want to be unemployed, homeless, ill or dead due to lockdown. Try reading the posts on here explaining that.

Can't you see that whatever happens, people will suffer and die? A cold calculation has to be made about which path leads to the least suffering and dying. (Not one I trust the Tories to make.)

Why on earth do you think it's wrong to "shut away" those vulnerable to covid but perfectly fine to shut away those vulnerable to lockdown?

Even if you think lockdown is the lesser of two evils, you could show some understanding for those who will suffer and die due to lockdown measures. You're making out you're somehow so compassionate and virtuous for saving lives whilst actually destroying lives. Such short sighted and frankly selfish thinking with a complete lack of understanding. Reminds me of those poverty tourists who take pics of themselves cuddling kids in orphanages around the world, completely ignoring how bad it is for the kids and what they actually need.

Oops, quote fail

@Mimishimi

It's for your safety

A yellow-coded curfew is now in effect. Any unauthorized personnel will be subject to arrest. This is for your protection.

From the visionary film V for Vendetta, currently on limited release in cinemas across the country, which is set in 2020 and has alarming resemblances to the current situation. There's even the outbreak of a deadly virus and the government's opportunistic utilisation of the situation for their own ends, deploying the media to instil maximum fear and panic in the populace, and thus bringing in their authoritarian regime, "for your protection". In V, the government is responsible for the virus... I don't think it's worth going down that road. It doesn't ultimately matter how the virus arose, governments in tandem with media have used it to gain unprecedented control over citizens around the globe.

The essence of the movie is the dichotomy between fear and freedom: people are held prisoner by fear, and liberation from fear, even of death, is the only true freedom.

I also wonder about the West, which touts itself as a bastion of "freedom" and civil liberties, adopting a model for virus control, i.e., "lockdown", established by the country, China, that currently has the worst human rights record in the world: www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/mar/13/china-human-rights-violations-mike-pompeo

China has concentration camps in which millions of victims are tortured.

Meanwhile, our European neighbour, Sweden, which has one of the best human rights records in the world, is faring extremely well and currently has about 3 Covid deaths per day: www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

But no - let's follow China...!

Op since you are such a moral, compassionate and empathetic person, certainly more than us sill anti-lockdowners, I'm sure you will be personally paying bills of the people who lost their jobs due to the lockdown.

Yabu.
It would be slightly less unreasonable to ask the question of people very categorically breaking the rules, but most people are complying and are not in some way duty-bound to comply happily, and it is absolutely valid to question lockdown.

Trooooll in the dungeon!

What a pile of shite. YABU

@Tier2Minus

The way back to a healthy economy, to saving lives, to normal NHS function, to normal schooling for our kids and normal lives for ourselves is by getting the virus firmly under control like they have done in Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea.

Lazy, negative defeatist people talk down our country and say it can't be done. If those other countries can do it, of course Britain can do it too.

Those of us who care about our country would stay positive and make the effort.

Would you?

Do you actually read news from other countries? People are protesting, people are in the same shitstorm of useless rules and inept governments as we are and are losing everything. Have you read or heard anything that the gov so called experts or BBC hasnt spewed out?

Are you really so self absorbed that you cant see what this has done to thousands upon thousands of peoples lives that means mentally, physically, emotionally, economically? People are losing thier livelihoods, businesses they have spent years building and investing in, jobs, family security and potentially their homes.
Telling them to stay positive and make the effort is one of the most patronising privileged things i have seen on here and considering the last year thats saying Something.

Because previous lockdowns have worked so well?

It is naïve in the extreme to think at this stage that all you need to do to eradicate the virus is to have a lockdown....lockdowns don't 'kill' the virus.

Countries that have done well did not just have a lockdown, they also were able to us their lockdown to put track and trace/testing and quarantine travellers correctly in facilities (rather than just have people do it at home and foster non-compliance).

Japan and Sweden never had a real lockdown and they are doing better than we are.

I care about people's mental health, jobs, businesses, people not becoming homeless/destitute and having enough money to eat. Not to mention the right not to have your cancer treatment/operation cancelled because covid patient are the only priority...

I don't support a general lockdown because in themselves, without other measures, they are pointless. I support shielding those are truly at risk the old and the vulnerable, not putting the entire population under house arrest.

If you think the virus will be gone on 2nd December if everyone complies, you believe in a fairy tale. Especially with schools and university staying open.

As it stands we are currently doomed to endlessly repeat a strategy that does not work: the virus starts spreading again the minute the restrictions are lifted.

YABVVVU.

Lockdown is unpleasant for me rather than a massive problem, and I have no desire to get ill with anything, not even the common cold. But I am totally against lockdown because of what it is doing to the country and to the futures of our younger generations.

I really worry for the futures of my young adult DC. One is already about to be furloughed again (having lost her pre-Covid job). At this rate there will be no economy left to employ them and a massive national debt to pay off too: a huge double-whammy.

If things pan out as they well might, the decline in life chances will lead to a massive increase in actual (as opposed to relative) poverty, with everything that means for diet and living conditions and ill-health. I really worry how many healthy years of life are being taken away from DC and young adults. We won't know until decades from now. It might be none or not a lot or up to a decade for a whole tranche of society. I look at DC at the school where I work who are already well down the heap and have slipped further, since they had no home learning last term (parents who couldn't provide it or didn't bother). What about them?

And that's before we get onto the MH impacts. I am extremely robust psychologically, have a great support network and am not particularly social but I'm starting to feel it, so God knows what it's like for an extrovert with fragile MH who is living alone.

And I have a friend who is waiting for a heart operation. Fingers crossed it's not cancelled.