AIBU to think those who are against this Lockdown only care about themselves?

[Tier2Minus]

The way back to a healthy economy, to saving lives, to normal NHS function, to normal schooling for our kids and normal lives for ourselves is by getting the virus firmly under control like they have done in Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea.

Lazy, negative defeatist people talk down our country and say it can't be done. If those other countries can do it, of course Britain can do it too.

Those of us who care about our country would stay positive and make the effort.

Would you?

yabu
Me & members of my household can weather economic & educational & social & mental health harm from repeat lockdowns quite well. Most the households around me cannot do all that.

Insisting that all one needs is a "positive attitude" to cope well is selfish, imho.

@Oliversmumsarmy

Ultimately I think places like Sweden will end up with less deaths

They're 5th worst in Europe already.

Places like Taiwan, Singapore, New Zealand, and South Korea will end up with the least deaths.

[quote Mumofsend]@tier2minus horse has well and truly bolted for that idea.[/quote]
It's never too late to get a grip.

@Thewithesarehere

All the posters like OP can fuck right off. I want to keep my job and a roof above my children’s head. So you can go fuck yourself.

This with absolute bells on. I’m devastated by the new lock down, working in hospitality I’m going to be expected to live on 67% of my wages. 67% of minimum wage just before Christmas, what an absolute shit show.

@Tier2Minus

The way back to a healthy economy, to saving lives, to normal NHS function, to normal schooling for our kids and normal lives for ourselves is by getting the virus firmly under control like they have done in Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea.

Lazy, negative defeatist people talk down our country and say it can't be done. If those other countries can do it, of course Britain can do it too.

Those of us who care about our country would stay positive and make the effort.

Would you?

What would you do right now. instead?

Improve track and trace, perhaps make mask wearing compulsory in more settings, stop indoor dining but allow restaurants and other hospitality to remain open for outdoor dining (where feasible) and takeaway. Let all retail and salons remain open, providing they are taking relevant measures.

But having let it spread for months again I choose Lockdown over thousands of us dying every week for months. You may prefer the deaths.

And there we have it. Smugness personified.

Look at me! I'm such a caring, compassionate individual that with a heavy heart I shall accept my burden. I shall post trite little memes about killing grannies and sit in my house being fucking grateful just to be ALIVE.

All the rest of you, you granny murdering people, who aren't nearly as compassionate and nice as me, want to carry on as normal, while the bodies are just piling up all round you. Why can't you not all be more like ME, wonderful, amazing, saintly, ME?

ffs.

It's for your safety

@Mumofsend

Yes. I am worried for my MH. I'm worried about how I will care for my children . I worry about their education, MH and future. Sometimes being selfish isn't a bad thing.

I don't have the support network or finances for another lockdown. Perhaps those who are so set on one are equally being selfish for throwing those of us who are trapped under a bus. Protecting the vulnerable should not only include those vulnerable to the virus itself.

That's a very good reason for getting the virus under control.

We should do that.

*I want what's best for my country.

I choose a month of Lockdown over thousands of British people dying every week and the NHS functionally collapsing.

You don't.*

But what would you, yourself, stand to lose from a lockdown?

You've said you're unemployed so obviously this has zero financial or work related impact on you. So it's pretty easy for you to lecture others about how caring and altruistic you are, isn't it?

Let's get the virus under control as fast as we can then, shall we?

Like we did in March? That’s gone amazingly.

@IcedPurple

What would you do right now. instead?

Improve track and trace, perhaps make mask wearing compulsory in more settings, stop indoor dining but allow restaurants and other hospitality to remain open for outdoor dining (where feasible) and takeaway. Let all retail and salons remain open, providing they are taking relevant measures.

Effective Find, Test, Trace Isolate and Support is the number one thing we need.

But in the absence of that, right now, having let it spread for months, the only way to save thousands of lives in December is a Lockdown.

It's already too late to stop November's thousands of deaths.

Tbf lockdown did work in my experience working on the frontline. Obviously things went less well when things resumed quickly afterwards.

*I want what's best for my country.

I choose a month of Lockdown over thousands of British people dying every week and the NHS functionally collapsing.*

The NHS will also collapse if people aren’t in work to pay for it which will also lead to more deaths.

I think Maslow's heirachy of needs is the thing here. You need your basic needs met before you can consider the bigger stuff. So when housing, heating, food ie the basics, are met you can consider the bigger stuff. If you're worried about those, it's much harder to see the bigger picture.

I'm currently struggling to see the bigger picture, and I'm not going to beat myself up about that right now.

Well if you cant work from home, can't work, cant pay your rent or feed your kids you really couldn't be be blamed for naval grazing.

Or course the rest of us perfect citizens should take up those por sods slack and make sure we pay more tax or give to food banks weekly. But it's not like that is it? How often do you donate to your food bank OP? Every week?

I personally cant donate to the food bank weekly as I need to feed my own kids. If I didnt navel gaze and prioritise my kids I would be called feckless.

I try not to judge from a position of superiority as it doesnt make me feel good. I try to remember that not everyone lives a carbon copy of my life.

On deaths per capita in Europe, the U.K. is 3rd. Sweden is 5th ahead of France and the Netherlands

They are already 5th with 0 deaths today. Whilst 4 countries that locked down in some cases harshly have worse death rates and the other countries below them that probably also locked down have also probably got rising deaths.

It isn’t over yet.

The people who object to a lockdown...do they really not get that if there’s no lockdown then the health service will be overwhelmed for EVERYONE...so their kids, their families may well struggle to get treatment if they have an accident or get ill?

It’s like they think the best way to keep their family safe is to have no lockdown, assuming that if anything happens to them or their loved ones they’ll just be able to rock up and access medical care whenever they need it.

The problem is not lockdown. The problem is not properly supporting businesses and individuals whilst there is disruption to their work. We are a wealthy country and it is perfectly possible to redistribute the wealth so that everyone gets through lockdown unscathed. But the government need to drive that and that’s the problem.

And there we have it. Smugness personified

Look at me! I'm such a caring, compassionate individual that with a heavy heart I shall accept my burden. I shall post trite little memes about killing grannies and sit in my house being fucking grateful just to be ALIVE

Exactly. Are these smug posters going to help pay the bills of the poor people who’ve lost their jobs and businesses?

The people who object to a lockdown...do they really not get that if there’s no lockdown then the health service will be overwhelmed for EVERYONE...so their kids, their families may well struggle to get treatment if they have an accident or get ill

But we don’t have treatment anyway even out of lockdown
Dp as I have said is still waiting for a consultant appointment since last November

The people who object to a lockdown...do they really not get that if there’s no lockdown then the health service will be overwhelmed for EVERYONE

🙄 You’ve really drunk the coolaid haven’t you?

Next time anyone tells you how hospitals are overrun, never forget that we built seven Nightingale hospitals up and down the country that never saw a patient.

@ILoveAnOwl

I think Maslow's heirachy of needs is the thing here. You need your basic needs met before you can consider the bigger stuff. So when housing, heating, food ie the basics, are met you can consider the bigger stuff. If you're worried about those, it's much harder to see the bigger picture.

I'm currently struggling to see the bigger picture, and I'm not going to beat myself up about that right now.

I get that. It's a good point.

@MadameBlobby

*I want what's best for my country.

I choose a month of Lockdown over thousands of British people dying every week and the NHS functionally collapsing.*

The NHS will also collapse if people aren’t in work to pay for it which will also lead to more deaths.

But not this month.

@Elle10x0

The people who object to a lockdown...do they really not get that if there’s no lockdown then the health service will be overwhelmed for EVERYONE

🙄 You’ve really drunk the coolaid haven’t you?

Next time anyone tells you how hospitals are overrun, never forget that we built seven Nightingale hospitals up and down the country that never saw a patient.

That's because they were largely a PR exercise to pull focus.

Actual hospitals have staff.

kills people who are about to die ?

Yes. The average death age is in the eighties. Of course we need to shield the elderly but we’re going to have many more deaths due to suicide / poverty / domestic abuse if we don’t have a balance.