AIBU to think those who are against this Lockdown only care about themselves?

[Tier2Minus]

The way back to a healthy economy, to saving lives, to normal NHS function, to normal schooling for our kids and normal lives for ourselves is by getting the virus firmly under control like they have done in Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea.

Lazy, negative defeatist people talk down our country and say it can't be done. If those other countries can do it, of course Britain can do it too.

Those of us who care about our country would stay positive and make the effort.

Would you?

You're just a troll, nobody can be this stupid. Your response to somebody saying they want to keep a roof over their children's head and to keep them fed is... But death...

Ffs

Hundreds of thousands of families losing their homes is going to cause far more death then covid. It will cause hardship and death in people for whom covid is no risk.

But yeah, better throw all those families and their l kids on the streets because you don't want them catching a mostly harmless virus that might kill you if you're eighty.

I didn't support that last lockdown and I don't support this one. Death is a part of life and we've never in the history of time, with the exception of smallpox, controlled a virus.

The people dying are predominantly elderly. Many of them from care homes. Bring in palliative care for these people, don't admit them, give them lots of morphine and let life carry on as normal and accept that any life has a chance of death. That would relieve pressure on the NHS.

If I get Covid and die then so fucking be it. Lockdown is not living. It's an existence and it's bullshit.

@IcedPurple

Some people think primarily about themselves

Almost everyone thinks primarily about themselves. I'm willing to bet you do too.

The best thing for all of us, including me, is to get the virus under control.

The best thing for our country (where I do live, yes) is to get the virus under control.

The best thing for our economy (which does affect me, yes) is to get the virus under control.

The best thing for our children's lives (including mine) is to get the virus under control.

I am in the "women between 20-40" age group who are most in danger of being hospitalised with Covid.

But I'm currently unemployed so safer than a teacher, barmaid, shop assistant or carer,

Is it really so incomprehensible that some people look at the bigger picture and care about the greater good?

OP are you aware of the significant link between public health and the economy, and lost years caused by a recession?

Perhaps you prefer those deaths, which in time may exceed those caused by covid. 500,000 extra cancer deaths after the banking crash according to Imperial.

It’s not money vs lives. That’s a fucking facile take.

That's a very fine piece of divisive shit-stirring OP. If you don't work for the government already, you should be considering it very seriously.

You do realise that wanting to keep your home and feed your family doesn't automatically mean you don't care if people die don't you?

I can't decide these days if comments like this are from people who are just stupid, or live a binary life.

@FractionalGains

OP are you aware of the significant link between public health and the economy, and lost years caused by a recession?

Perhaps you prefer those deaths, which in time may exceed those caused by covid. 500,000 extra cancer deaths after the banking crash according to Imperial.

It’s not money vs lives. That’s a fucking facile take.

Let's get the virus under control as fast as we can then, shall we?

It's not a choice between money or lives.

It's a choice between getting a grip or everything going to shit.

I think caring about others and “the country” is a bit of a luxury when you’re faced with losing your job and have little prospect of finding another one any time soon. Or when you’re seriously concerned about your own mental health or that of the people closest to you. You can call that mindset selfish, but I’d argue that doing so shows very little understanding of the situation many people will find themselves in.

For what it’s worth, I’m a firm supporter of the lockdown. I’ve not broken a single rule so far and have no intention of doing so over the coming months. But that’s all very easy for me, with my relatively stable job, my nice house, my family who are unlikely to become physically abusive anytime soon... I can not even begin to imagine how much harder the lockdown must be for a large section of the UK population. No way would I judge anyone who is not embracing the idea of another lockdown with feelings of patriotism 😒

Well we really managed to get the virus 'under control' last time. I'm sure it'll be a resounding success if we do exactly the same thing again.

But I'm currently unemployed so safer than a teacher, barmaid, shop assistant or carer,

Right. So basically you've got nothing to lose financially from any lockdown? Now, there's a shocker!

Is it really so incomprehensible that some people look at the bigger picture and care about the greater good?

Do you think yourself a better person than those who question lockdown? Because you certainly appear to do so.

I would say that despite your smugging, you're not looking at the 'bigger picture' at all. You're only looking at Covid. You're not in the least bit concerned about the millions who will lose their livelihoods, the jobs and businesses they built up over years, the people who worry about their children's education and emotional well-being, those who are suffering from isolation and lonlieness. Covid isn't the only game in town.

So carry on smugging and writing goady posts. But never think any of this makes you a better person.

Really?!! My daughters Mental Health is hitting bottom- she’s suicidal? So no I’m not thinking of just myself !

I would support a lockdown IF there was an actual plan for after - the first one hasn’t worked? We just going around and around and will keep being in the same place over and over again? Whilst people are loosing jobs, homes etc

We need a proper track and trace. People need to isolate - but I know people who have risked it because they’d not earn the money and they need to keep a roof over their head.

It’s messy and needs some thought and clear direction :(

Women between 20-40 are not most in danger of being hospitalised with covid. More absurdity. There's a 99.9998% percent chance of people in that age group not dying from covid.

Homelessness, poverty etc lead to very high death rates.

@IcedPurple

But I'm currently unemployed so safer than a teacher, barmaid, shop assistant or carer,

Right. So basically you've got nothing to lose financially from any lockdown? Now, there's a shocker!

Is it really so incomprehensible that some people look at the bigger picture and care about the greater good?

Do you think yourself a better person than those who question lockdown? Because you certainly appear to do so.

I would say that despite your smugging, you're not looking at the 'bigger picture' at all. You're only looking at Covid. You're not in the least bit concerned about the millions who will lose their livelihoods, the jobs and businesses they built up over years, the people who worry about their children's education and emotional well-being, those who are suffering from isolation and lonlieness. Covid isn't the only game in town.

So carry on smugging and writing goady posts. But never think any of this makes you a better person.

I question Lockdowns. No one wants one do they? It's hard on us all. Lockdowns are a failure to do what is needed to get the virus under control.

But right now, if I have to choose between a Lockdown that makes it difficult for me to get another job or thousands of British people dying every week, I choose for them to live.

I choose for them to live

Oh Brava! OP.

You're not bloody Caesar, giving the thumbs up in the Colosseum.

70% 😂 what a load of bullshit.

And yes, YABU. It's not selfish to worry about losing your job, and possibly your home and livelihood.

I question Lockdowns. No one wants one do they? It's hard on us all. Lockdowns are a failure to do what is needed to get the virus under control.

Some people do want lockdowns. You clearly appear to be one of them.

But right now, if I have to choose between a Lockdown that makes it difficult for me to get another job or thousands of British people dying every week, I choose for them to live.

Your description of the available options is incredibly simplistic and just plain wrong. I'm not sure there's any point discussing anything with you.

@ReplacementPlasticUterus

I choose for them to live

Oh Brava! OP.

You're not bloody Caesar, giving the thumbs up in the Colosseum.

😂😂

Just trying having some empathy op

Just a little.

@ReneeRol

Women between 20-40 are not most in danger of being hospitalised with covid. More absurdity. There's a 99.9998% percent chance of people in that age group not dying from covid.

Homelessness, poverty etc lead to very high death rates.

Calum Semple says three to four times as many women as men in that age group (20-40) are ending up in hospital, and its growing.

I heard it on Radio 4 I think rather than read it but this refers to it:

The most sensible ideas I have heard so far are:
Pay people to self isolate. Check on them daily, shut schools. Stop paying for the pile of shit that is track n trace instead use that money to pay those who have to self isolate. Everyone else go about their daily business. Doing this half hearted lock down will not work. You have to ensure everyone who has covid isolates. Again paying them to do so is a win win.

@littlbrowndog

Just trying having some empathy op

Just a little.

Choosing the path that leads to thousands of British deaths every week for the foreseeable isn't empathy.

Calum Semple says three to four times as many women as men in that age group (20-40) are ending up in hospital, and its growing.

Pretty misleading of you not to refer to the full quote, which says that women in this age group are contracting the virus more because they are exposed to it through their jobs in retail, hospitality and education. It's not because they are inherently more likely to get the disease.

Since you have said you are unemployed, your chances of contracting, let alone being hospitalised with, Covid are pretty slim. But nice try.

Millions have ALREADY made HUGE sacrifices for 8 months FFS, with no end in sight. Your opening post is an absolute liberty, especially as an unemployed person reliant on taxpayers to sustain you.

70% of who OP? The people who live with you in your ivory tower?

@emilybrontescorsett

The most sensible ideas I have heard so far are: Pay people to self isolate. Check on them daily, shut schools. Stop paying for the pile of shit that is track n trace instead use that money to pay those who have to self isolate. Everyone else go about their daily business. Doing this half hearted lock down will not work. You have to ensure everyone who has covid isolates. Again paying them to do so is a win win.

Paying people to self isolate is the "Support" part of

Find, Test,Trace, Isolate and Support.

It's how other countries aren't living through this chaos.

We should do Find, Test,Trace, Isolate and Support properly.

But since we haven't, we can't save the people who will die in the next four weeks. Some of them don't even know they have it yet.

But we can save the British people who otherwise will die in December.

I want us to combat coronavirus properly, but to save thousands of British lives every week we now need a Lockdown.