Lockdown in England from next week **title edited by MNHQ**

[Velvetpeel]

The Times is reporting that we are headed for a month long lockdown until Dec 1st.
No details yet...
Why do they always announce things on the drip feed - makes it all even more stressful

For the record I am a parent as well as a teacher and I don’t want schools to close but I really wish that all of you on here would shout from the rooftops that schools should be safer and this includes needing additional protections and funding!

@MH1111

The danger to children from covid is minuscule. We should absolutely prioritise younger generations and keep schools and universities open

So if you recognise the danger to children as being small, surely you must be aware the risk to adults is far greater? And obviously we are not isolating adults and sending children to school alone.

Johnson is a populist.

He will take the route of least resistance with the public wherever possible rather than take more difficult decisions. Often because hes out of his depth and doesn't know what to do until he runs out of options.

The talk for universities this week was that students in T3 areas wouldn't be allowed to return to T1 without quarantining first.

A lockdown timed now to run until the start of December is consistent with that plan in that respect - it just would be wrapped up in a national lockdown (which in some respects is more politically acceptable)

@Houseplantmad

Schools are on a different tier system than the rest of us. The plan for schools' tier 3 in England is for primaries to stay open and for older students (y10+) to have remote learning while younger ones attend school. It's a pig's ear but we don't seem to be alone in this. I thought Germany had a good handle on track and trace etc but clearly not good enough. What hope do we have with the shitshow that is in charge here? A friend who loves in Belgium says the government there is just as bad.

They have not implemented any of the educational tiers. They seem to have been forgotten about....

We're fucked if we do and fucked if we don't.

Past caring now.

[quote monkeytennis97]@Leflic "Teachers just have to hope they get a mild viral load".

I hope you do too.[/quote]
I’ve worked in schools and colleges for nearly 16 years and worked with children all my life. I barely get a cold or stomach bug anymore. We’ve had cases at my school that weren’t named , we closed for 2 weeks and no one can actually tell who had it. I’m no more worried by Covid than any other disease. What I don’t want is my parents to get it.
So I’m happy to carry on working and accept I won’t see my parents for a while, I won’t be able to shop as normal or meet up with my friends.

I hope I only get a small viral load what with being immunosuppressed and not having any kind of protection at all other than hand washing!

@Glitterynails

For the record I am a parent as well as a teacher and I don’t want schools to close but I really wish that all of you on here would shout from the rooftops that schools should be safer and this includes needing additional protections and funding!

Hear hear from DH and I (both secondary teachers).

@WitchesSpelleas

We're fucked if we do and fucked if we don't.

Past caring now.

Im not far off that mindset tbh.

Lockdown does work.

Victoria had 700 cases a day in July.

Now coming out of lockdown. With ZERO CASES a day

@Leflic well I'm glad you're ok with it all. #solidarity

More people die from the flu

Give it a rest FFS!! 😡

I expect after this next lockdown we will collectively realise and appreciate the effect schools being open actually has on the rate of spread.

Not sure if you meant this @Thewiseoneincognito - but if we do have a lockdown with schools left open - I think we will then all collectively realise that they need to be shut - and how much Covid spreads in schools etc

No it won't be 'pointless' without schools closed.

Look. Here is Ireland's second wave. They are in the middle of really heavy restrictions at the moment, starting late October, and that's starting to bring the cases down again. (The bars are the daily cases, the blue line is the 7-day average.) And that is with schools still open. So clearly it's not pointless to do this without closing schools, and it can work.

People who have decided off their own backs that it's 'not a proper lockdown' if schools are open, therefore they aren't going to bother with any of the other restrictions they don't fancy either, are not helping.

People will ultimately do as they want, especially the longer this goes on, assessing risk for themselves & their nearest & dearest when draconian laws are introduced. Some people I speak to really don't care the virus is spreading, they will happily take the chance of getting it.

People weigh up what is more important to them & what the benefits really are to them of adhering to restrictions on their liberty and personal freedoms in return for a degree of extra protection against minimal risk. That is nature & personal instinct. you can't stop it.

I'm in school (special school) and we have already been told that whatever lockdown action takes place, we will be staying open.. (as we were during the first lockdown). Not sure if that applies to ordinary schools but I know we are staying open.
Which is nuts frankly... social distancing not possible with our kids!

700 cases a day.

Okayyyy then... That proves it will work in the uk.

How long do you think up to 100,000 a day needs to reduce to 0 as a matter of interest?

Adults at schools (with out underlying health issues) being mostly under 60 have a tiny mortality risk from covid. Certainly comparable to other acceptable risks in society.
Grandparents need to decide if they want to risk seeing their grandchildren in the current climate.
What about all the people dying from undiagnosed and untreated health conditions ie cancer?

I guess no one knows yet, but I wonder what this will mean for people who are in support bubbles with someone who isn't that local to them, whether will still be able to visit or meet.

@MostDisputesDieAndNoOneShoots are you in Birmingham?

And to those saying more people die of flu.
Honestly have a word with yourselves.
Stop comparing covid with flu!

In my near 2 decades working for the NHS I have never seen people lay proned and 2 beds to a bed space with flu. Neither have I seen a refrigerator lorry parked up outside to take bodies of people who have flu.
It is people like you who are making this situation worse. Spreading dangerous and false information.

@Burpeesshmurpees ‘Well that’s your lookout’. Strong empathy skills there, you sound like a full on sociopath. Still, go ahead and set off those fireworks and have the party. At least setting off the fireworks will inform your neighbours who to avoid because they give no shits about other people.

@Leflic You 'barely getting a cold or stomach bug anymore' is utterly irrelevant to the NOVEL coronavirus. The whole reason this is very dangerous is because it's new. You - and all the other long-serving teachers - haven't built up immunity to it. And you can partially protect your parents by not going near them, but all the people they have to interact with till this is over (any GP visits, any grocery deliveries etc) will have far more chance of having the virus and passing it to them thanks to the wide spread in the community because of the daily mass gatherings in overcrowded schools. Not only that, but other people rely on grandparents for childcare and don't have a choice. Some children live with their grandparents. Some live with family members who are vulnerable for other reasons. And even if they don't, they live in the same society as those who do. The (definitely not mild) viral load that you don't care about the teacher getting doesn't stop with them.

I'm in ireland and we have been in lockdown for a while now and will be until dec 1st. Our schools have stayed open this time, granted our colleges are having students learn at home as much as possible. It's very early days but our coronavirus numbers have started to decrease this week for the first time since June. If England does go into lockdown the schools may not have such a negative impact as is feared.

'Teachers just have to hope they get a mild viral load'.

I've heard it all now. I'm sick of the constant bile and hatred directed towards school staff on Mumsnet. I guarantee the people making comments like this would not want to step foot into any classroom in a tier 3 area right now, let alone spend a week in a bubble of 200 plus children.

The government have not made things safe for school staff, nor are they likely to either in a lockdown. They should be ashamed, and so should the people making throw away comments like the poster above..