Would you take the vaccine for COVID if it became available?

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I'm undecided. Would you?

100% yes

Yes absolutely

Yes, if approved in the normal way.

@Dan1980

They don't. There will be some dissenting views as there always are around any topic but the vast majority anticipate that a vaccine will be forthcoming. Can it be guaranteed? No. Is it much more likely than not? Yes.

With respect to immunity the absence of antibodies after 6 months or so actually tells us very little about how long immunity will last. We won't know if immunity is long lasting for definite for a long time, how can we? That said those who recovered from SARS showed a t-cell immune response 17 years after infection despite antibodies lasting for around 2 years. Recent studies show t-cell immune responses in people who have recovered from Covid last at least 6 months. Whether this amounts to "immunity" is a different question but it's a positive initial piece of evidence.

This podcast is good and gives a good overview of the Oxford vaccine

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000mj18

Most of our immune system is in our gut. All illness begins in our gut. You make an analogy between the human body and our gut flora and plants.

The plant’s root system in the soil is about the same size as the plant above the ground. If the soil around the roots is not healthy, then the plant is not going to thrive. When we look at the gut wall of the human digestive system under the electron microscope, we see a very similar picture. The absorptive surface of the gut has finger-like protrusions called villi. Every villus has long, thin, stringy hairs called microvilli. These are the roots of our health, and they’re sitting in their own soil, which is our gut flora. Recent research has discovered that about 90 percent of all cells and genetic material in the human body is our gut flora. If that ‘soil’ is unhealthy, poisoned by antibiotics or other chemicals, then the roots of your health are sick. As a result your body cannot be healthy

For each generation mothers are passing on poorer and poorer gut flora to their babies. Now this is the real issue nobody is talking about

For each generation mothers are passing on poorer and poorer gut flora to their babies. Now this is the real issue nobody is talking about

@Dan1980

I think category 4 of healthy people at no risk of dying from covid getting complications from a vaccine is worse than all the others put together

There is nobody who is at no risk of dying from Covid. Young healthy people have a very low risk, true - I think I saw 3 in 100,000 for children under 10. But there have been deaths in all age categories, including infants. And then there’s long Covid - prevalence still to be established, but quite likely higher than the death rate.

Whereas the risk of complications from the vaccine.... well, we don’t know yet, clearly. First results from the Oxford trials showed short term effects like fever and sore arm were fairly common - like every other vaccine. I have a sore arm after my flu jab every year - big deal. Years ago I was vaccinated against typhoid, and had chills and malaise for 24 hours - end of.

What you’re presumably concerned about is not transient issues like those which resolve within a few days, but long term damage. Does it happen? Yes. Is it common? No - the risk is vanishingly small for vaccines which are licensed. If the trials - which involve tens of thousands of people - find serious complications arising from any of the vaccine candidates, they will not be licensed. If serious complications arise after the vaccine has been rolled out, the licence will be reviewed, and possibly withdrawn.

Hundreds of thousands of children are vaccinated each year. Between 1997 and 2005, 35 children were awarded compensation for having being damaged by vaccines - between 4 and 5 each year. For them and their families, a tragedy. But compared to the 42 children who died of measles in 1970 (the year when I had measles, chicken pox and infective hepatitis) a massive improvement. And that’s only deaths from measles - not counting the children left disabled, or those damaged or killed by the other diseases we now vaccinate against.

By all means, scrutinise the trial data before making a decision. Just don’t make a knee-jerk decision that a vaccine must necessarily be bad.

No

Well I signed up to take part in the trials but didn't get selected, so yes.

@Moondust001 Sorry Mate bit late on this thread but your the one talking utter sheep bollocks not @toxtethOgradyUSA who seems to be able to think for herself.

The comment about why would they risk health and safety when they can be taken to court and sued against. Well hello guess who the UK protected from legal action three days ago over the vaccine. Phizer. Pfizer given protection from legal action over coronavirus vaccine by UK government - www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-legal-indemnity-safety-ministers-b1765124.html

Is this fake news is it?

The Ebola, HIV, Malaria all vaccines are funded by Bill Gates, a man with no background in healthcare but IT. This is a depopulation operation at its best and the poor people in Africa who have had their countries wealth robbed by the West and have no food but yet get free vaccines from good old Gates... silly silly people who think this vaccine is a protection for a flu strain that almost 99% recover from and most who pass away have serious underlying conditions but a positive test means Covid was the reason for the death. Wow some real sheep mentality mumsnetters on here. Feel sorry for your children to have parents who cannot think for themselves and take the Tory, Boris, Daily Mail, The Sun words for gospel.

Ooh a proper bonkers anti vaxxer conspiracy theorist! First one I’ve seen!

[quote KayT1]**@Moondust001* Sorry Mate bit late on this thread but your the one talking utter sheep bollocks not @toxtethOgradyUSA* who seems to be able to think for herself.

The comment about why would they risk health and safety when they can be taken to court and sued against. Well hello guess who the UK protected from legal action three days ago over the vaccine. Phizer. Pfizer given protection from legal action over coronavirus vaccine by UK government - www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-legal-indemnity-safety-ministers-b1765124.html

Is this fake news is it?

The Ebola, HIV, Malaria all vaccines are funded by Bill Gates, a man with no background in healthcare but IT. This is a depopulation operation at its best and the poor people in Africa who have had their countries wealth robbed by the West and have no food but yet get free vaccines from good old Gates... silly silly people who think this vaccine is a protection for a flu strain that almost 99% recover from and most who pass away have serious underlying conditions but a positive test means Covid was the reason for the death. Wow some real sheep mentality mumsnetters on here. Feel sorry for your children to have parents who cannot think for themselves and take the Tory, Boris, Daily Mail, The Sun words for gospel.[/quote]

I love how people think that Bill Gates has some ulterior motive instead of wanting to donate some of his vast wealth to improve human help. Maybe it would be better if all rich people sat on their wealth like Jeff Bezos???

Yes I’d have it in a shot.

I’d also love to visit my bone marrow to see all my previous vaccines which are apparently lurking there

It’s utterly wonderful about the malaria vaccine. It’s going to save so many lives. And it certainly beats drenching everyone in DDT.

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel ‘Proper bonkers’ - takes one to know one Ms Sheep. I love the way the ninnies use ‘anti-vax’ and ‘conspiracy theorist’ to group people who can think for themselves and are not living in fear reading mass media bollocks. Please - if someone chooses not to take a vaccine that is an informed and educated CHOICE not a anti- vaxxer. I love the fact that you cannot wait to get vaccinated and would hope the same for you

That’s Dr Sheep to you 🙂

@TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair ‘white and lived in Western countries’. Love that. Especially when it is us whites that erm keep the non-whites down in the dumps and riddled in poverty and disease so we can continue with our Eurocentric history bull and white supremacy. Yep lets pretend free Western vaccines and drug trials on African children and babies is all in the name of Western kindness and compassion to our lesser fortunate human beings. Yes of course. Yes sure yes okay yes.

I’ve not rtt.

I’m booked in for my first dose this week and my second dose in the new year 😀

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel What type of doctor is that then - the ones that give anti-depressants at the drop of a hat to someone with a sad face, antibiotics for viral infections, birth control pills to young girls with heavy periods. Text book doctors don’t need much brains Ms Sheep so you can forget the Dr girl

Congratulations Muchtoomuchtodo! That’s great news!

silly silly people who think this vaccine is a protection for a flu strain that almost 99% recover from

Goodness. Have we not progressed beyond this?

It's. Not. Flu.

I’m the sort of doctor who thinks all this Bill Gates conspiracy stuff is hilarious.

No.

Why would you not want to be around unvaccinated people if you have had the vaccine? Completely illogical.

None of this makes sense to me.

Yes of course