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Pure data thread #1: Daily numbers, graphs, focused analyses

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BigChocFrenzy · 21/10/2020 17:20

This is pure data, NOT for the "worried about Corona"

We welcome calm factual, data-driven contributions
Please try to keep discussion focused on these and avoid emotional venting or politics
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Resource links

UK:
Uk dashboard R, deaths, cases, hospitals, tests - by postcode, 4 nations, English regions, LAs
Interactive 7-day rolling cases map click on map or by postcode
UK govt pressers Slides & data
SAGE Table Interventions with impacts and R
Imperial UK weekly tables & extrapolations LAs, cases / 100k, table, map, hotspots
School statistics Attendance - Tuesdays
ICNRC Intensive Care National Audit & Research reports
UK testing and NHS England track & trace - Thursdays
ONS Roundup deaths, infections & economic reports
ONS England, Wales & NI Infection surveillance report - Fridays
ONS Datasets for surveillance reports
Our World in Data UK test positivity
R estimates & daily growth UK & English regions - Fridays
Modelling real number of UK infections February in first wave

England:
NHS England Hospital activity
NHS England Daily deaths
PHE COVID Clinical Risk Factors Non-respiratory by region, area, district etc
Cases Tracker England Local Government
PHE surveillance reports Covid, flu, respiratory diseases - Thursdays
CovidMessenger live update by council district in England

Scotland, Wales, NI:
Scot gov Daily data
Scotland TravellingTabby LAs, care homes, hospitals, tests, t&t
PH Wales LAs, tests, ONS deaths
NI Dashboard

COVID-19 Risk Factors
Alama Personal COVID risk assessment
PHE Clinical RFs - summary & social vulnerability indicators
PHE Clinical RFs - respiratory disease
PHE Clinical RFs - non-respiratory - CVD,T1, T2, obesity, flu jab coverage
PHE Non-Clinical RFs - deprivation, demography, economic inactivity, ethnicity
PHE Non-Clinical RFs - Vulnerable Groups (1): care / nursing home, MH, visual disabilities
PHE Non-Clinical RFs - homeless, children in care, ESL

Miscell:
Zoe Uk data
ECDC rolling 14-day incidence EEA & UK
Worldometer UK page
FT DIY graphs compare deaths, cases, raw / million pop
Local Mobility Reports for countries
UK Highstreet Tracker for cities & large towns Footfall, spend index, workers, visitors, economic recovery
NHS Triage Dashboard Pathways - triages of symptoms
NHS Triage Dashboard Progression - # people pillar 1&2, # triages

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BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2020 11:40

High levels of unemployment = high levels of deprivation ?

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ancientgran · 22/10/2020 11:41

Or could it be that where there is less economic activity there is more contact in homes?

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2020 11:41

and students would boost the numbers not in ft employment, at least
Do most nowadays have pt jobs, or just a minority ?

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GabriellaMontez · 22/10/2020 11:48

Less economic activity = more time to get tests.

Augustbreeze · 22/10/2020 12:01

Would such good correlation suggest it must be down to one factor rather than a combination (eg deprivation/larger households/more time to get tests/fewer f2f keyworker roles)?

Asking the statisticians here, your input is so valuable.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2020 12:06

It could be a dominant factor, or that a cluster of factors typically cluster together - i.e. are not independent variables - and then are sometimes reinforced by another

e.g. high unemployment, low wages, deprivation, mistrust of authorities, poorer health and then some cities add on a large dollop of students

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RedToothBrush · 22/10/2020 12:09

A post on context which I think important and needs reflection from all. Its not about data whilst simulatenously not being about data. It is about how we use data, how its relevant to where we are within timeframes and timescales, how we think and where we go from here.

Lewis Goodall @lewis_goodall
Very interesting words from Arlene Foster in a DUP newsletter this morning. First time we’ve heard a national leader talking in terms such as this- referring to a shutdown strategy to buy time as a “failure and will ultimately ensure total despair engulfs all our people.”

Of course NI is in a circuit breaker lockdown right now. But with Burnham forcefully articulating what he sees as the perils of restrictions, this from Foster, feels like rhetorically at least we’re moving to a quite different place on lockdown strategy.

The lockdown strategy to buy time is also, either regionally or nationally, what all four nations are engaged in, hoping a vaccine will turn up. We still haven’t really had answers from anywhere about the questions below

Thread by Goodall from 8th October

The biggest questions that governments in every part of the UK have to answer are these: the lockdown was justified partly as a means to buy time to put the systems (tracktrace/effective small local lockdowns/mass testing etc) in place which would mean we might not need to...

... return to onerous blanket restrictions either nationally or across large swathes of the country. Given such restrictions are returning- what happened to those systems? What effect have they had? Were these the wrong strategies in the first place? And now do we need new ones?

Because though obviously the acute problem of the rising cases is worrying, perhaps the bigger worry is the strategic one: the fact we’re at all and there’s not much sense yet from any politician of how we prevent it again, while we wait for a vaccine, which may never come.

So in short: is it the same strategies but better executed? Or something different?

No point in data, if you don't think about what it shows you and what you need to do with it...

... and this is also about different sets of data from areas other than health now starting to collide and provide conflict about outcomes and the best course of action long term.

This is why we feel anxious. We are going into another phase of the pandemic which by nature is more complex and questions the data we already have. It dares to ask the ultimate question: To what is the extent that we ultimately stop and prevent deaths from covid-19 in the long term?

To date, following the numbers and the data has really been short termist in its approach. By that I mean, we have almost gone from point to point. I found following the numbers early on deeply reassuring because I understood them in the context of where we were in the peak and how long it would be before lockdown would end. They were definitely a psychological crutch and coping strategy for me.

Then we entered a phase of calm where numbers were steady.

At the end of August we entered a phase of realising there was probably going to be a second wave as expected (despite the denialists over the summer). So we introduced restrictions to try and stop numbers rising.

We are now at a phase of realising that our strategy to control the rise of this second wave has failed and we are looking around at the numbers a bit like a headless chicken without much idea of where we go from here. And there are questions about whether the data shows that restrictions are actually as worthwhile as we are told. This is a natural progression. And it is uncomfortable and it is hard to decide the best course of action at this point.

Do we go for another strict lockdown? - but the question there is this a very short term solution which has a finite number of uses and doesn't provide a long term answer.
Do we go for a strategy which doesn't fully address the rising number of cases sufficiently to do enough to prevent a hospital crisis anyway but also causes sustained long term economic damage? Early lockdowns history show that you can limit economic damage - but we are in a situation where this attempt to do this has failed and that might mean we can't mitigate the economic harm in the way we hoped we could. Have we run into the problem of ending up in a situation where we get the worst of both worlds, because we've already failed to protect what we set out to protect? Will our well intentions actions might make the economic fall out worse rather than better?
Do we acknowledge that this isn't something we can control? Will a vaccine save us?

This is all part of a reflection in terms of a switch to short term thinking to rather longer term thinking as the penny as dropped that this is here for the long haul and isn't something that can be suppressed or even contained to the degree that we need or even would like.

We can't avoid this crossroad and point of anxiety.

I think we need break throughs in vaccines to start being really apparent and we a public discussion on vaccines led by government in the near future, in terms of expectation managment and in terms of projections of how much of a difference this will make. This is for psychological reasons about how we cope with the coming weeks and months because the data points now don't necessarily provide the same level of comfort that they did in lockdown.

I find it fascinating to see there being a discussion about wanting to avoid discussion of certain areas on a data thread and the point repeatedly made about anxiety and sanity. And I do think that some would benefit in reflecting on why they find comfort in the numbers and have anxiety about discussion about politics around numbers and why and how they are politicised. The psychologically of it all is important.

Data reveals the world to us in some ways. It exposes material reality. But it can also be used to conceal that material reality and to hide issues that we don't want to confront or deal with.

Conflict happening on this thread NOW isn't an accidental thing. Nor is it really a politically driven thing either though I think. I think is a psychological one reflective of human nature and a switch from short termism view point to a much longer outlook which is a lot hard to predict and comprehend. We are starting to doubt our resolve, how committed we (as individuals, collective groups and looking at individuals around us) are to the current course of action and the limits of our ability to stick to a common long term objective. And this isn't helped by factors which mean different places around the country are almost at different stages in to this process due to the relative impact of restriction on their immediate lives.

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MarshaBradyo · 22/10/2020 12:10

It’s very interesting, less economically active = higher cases

How much would fear of losing income play a part for more economically active

But also deprivation is higher so deprivation factors come into it

RedToothBrush · 22/10/2020 12:13

@BigChocFrenzy

I don't go and piss all over red's Westministenders threads when they take a turn I don't like, I either skip over a lot of posts, or go away for a while
Quite.

But everyone still has a right to voice opinions whether people don't like them or want to hear them. Consensus of topic finds its own way and can not be dictated or decreed either though. The great rule of liberalism. As we both know well, when you start doing that you end up in a counterproductive situation.

So don't fuel it, cos people will get pissy. Just bloody ignore it and let it run its course and blow over. Cos it will.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2020 12:17

I enjoy different povs and vigorous discussion.

Some of us want short term focus, because there is so little basis on which to analyse the future
Some of us still want to try
That's fine, room for both, neither is superior

We've had far more heated discussions on on Westministenders without these claims of bullying which is what I find spiteful and gaslighting

I don't have to take that shit and I won't

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NeurotrashWarrior · 22/10/2020 12:20

Observing the socio economics of the areas I've taught in, deprived areas, you're also more likely to get:

Large families with extended family living nearby, where people are working there's pooled child care in hols and after school to the homes of grandparents and relatives, large families in small houses.

Quite a lot of close community interaction too. Families supporting each other. Unfortunately a lot of quick points of contact.

NeurotrashWarrior · 22/10/2020 12:25

How much would fear of losing income play a part for more economically active

I can see that being sadly a real dilemma for some.

Childcare is expensive in this country. A friend in japan couldn't believe how expensive it was. I don't know how it's funded over there but they're such workaholics I wouldn't be surprised if it's more state funded than it is here.

(And rightly expensive as it's mainly women doing the work. Obviously women's child rearing labour isn't as appreciated as it may be in other countrie.)

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2020 12:26

New partnership which may improve govt data quality & modelling

The Royal Statistical Society has announced:

We are pleased to announce today our partnership with the @turinginst to boost the government’s data analysis capabilities and support its response to Covid-19

https://rss.org.uk/news-publication/news-publications/2020/general-news/new-partnership-to-support-government-response-to/

David Spiegelhalter@d_spiegel
this is an excellent collaboration! (COI, I am joint chair of the RSS COVID-19 Task Force)

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TheSunIsStillShining · 22/10/2020 12:28

BCF: in this case the "better late than never" phrase blows out the circuits....

Plbrookes · 22/10/2020 12:28

I think the discussion of the role of the labour market here is really interesting. If I can be a bit of a devil's advocate - there are only 9 regions in England. Is there a risk of assuming that there is some important causal connection between regional labour market measures and covid?

TheSunIsStillShining · 22/10/2020 12:31

I love Germany's phrase of "Hamsterkaufen"
Hamster buying :) In hungarian the squirrel is used as an analogy in proverbs

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2020 12:32

There may be higher levels of jobs which are riskier wrt Covid
e.g. more f2f and fewer able to WfH, more food processing plants

but yes, as often with limited data about people, there is always the danger of going off on a false trail

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HoldingTight · 22/10/2020 12:34

Apologies if already posted - I don't have time at the moment to read the thread through.

@shitfuckoh was asking about trace contact numbers - the latest ones are out now (to 14/10):

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TheSunIsStillShining · 22/10/2020 12:35

The news piece is:
"Hungary is to look east for a potential Covid-19 vaccine, despite having also committed to buying 6.5 million doses of the AstraZeneca jab currently being developed by researchers from Oxford University.

The government on Thursday said it had asked health experts to look into the effectiveness of vaccines developed by Russia and China for possible later purchases. Russia has so far licensed two coronavirus vaccines, and is on its way to licensing a third. Four Chinese vaccines are reportedly in phase 3 trials."

Reality: Orban received a phone call from Putin on how much vaccines Hungary will be buying from them in the next months at what price.

swg1 · 22/10/2020 12:38

@NeurotrashWarrior has put her finger on it there. I spent my childhood watched by grandparents in holidays. From 14 I watched other people's kids in the holidays. Now there are usually subsidised holiday clubs but because of the uncertainty of if we'll dip into Tier 3 (I'm NE) I only know of one running this half-term where I'd usually expect about 8 options and you have to book for the full week to use it.

RedToothBrush · 22/10/2020 12:43

@NeurotrashWarrior

How much would fear of losing income play a part for more economically active

I can see that being sadly a real dilemma for some.

Childcare is expensive in this country. A friend in japan couldn't believe how expensive it was. I don't know how it's funded over there but they're such workaholics I wouldn't be surprised if it's more state funded than it is here.

(And rightly expensive as it's mainly women doing the work. Obviously women's child rearing labour isn't as appreciated as it may be in other countrie.)

Its not the issue it is here because 'sexism'.

Women simply are expected to give up careers to a higher degree, whilst men's salaries reflect this economic dependence of women.

While women hold 45.4 percent of Japan's bachelor degrees, they only make up 18.2 percent of the labor force, and only 2.1 percent of employers are women

Its much, much higher here. Women HAVE to work. We also have far higher numbers of lone parents.

So in terms of comparison, its not the best country to look towards because of cultural differences.

On this note, there is a huge cultural difference in terms of your role in society and being part of a collective rather than an individual between Japan and the UK which goes through every part of life - be it your role within the family or your role in society and your sense of responsibility to test.

If you didn't test as was your duty in Japan I suspect there would be much more social shaming / shunning. Here we just rant a bit (a lot) about it on social media rather than it being something that went deeper than that.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2020 12:45

Issued today:

Weekly statistics for NHS Test and Trace (England) and coronavirus testing (UK): 8 October to 14 October

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/928564/TesttandTraceeWeek20v2.pdff_

. Positive cases have been rising steeply since the end of August and

in the latest week there has been an increase of 12% compared to the previous week.
7.1% of people tested had a positive result; this rate has been increasing since the end of August, when the positivity rate was 0.9%.

• 1,422,112 people were tested at least once for COVID-191, consistent with the previous week.
A total of 8,934,753 people have been tested at least once since Test and Trace began.

Turnaround times for pillar 2 (swab testing for the wide population) have become longer for all in-person testing routes compared to the previous week.
In the most recent week, 33.4% of in-person tests results were received the next day after the test was taken.
...
. 96,521 people were transferred to the contact tracing system between 8 October and 14 October.

The number of people transferred has been increasing steeply over the past 6 weeks with over 10 times as many people being transferred in the most recent week compared to the beginning of September.

• Of those transferred to the contact tracing system between 8 October and 14 October,
80.7% were reached and asked to provide information about their contacts.
This has declined since the beginning of September but increased slightly over the past two weeks.

• 251,613 people were identified as coming into close contact with someone who had tested positive between 8 October and 14 October.
This is an increase of 15% compared with the previous week, continuing the sharp upward trend....

. For those where communication details were available, 75.1% were reached and asked to self-isolate.
Taking into account all contacts identified, 59.6% were reached.
......
% of people positive in each reporting week: ~ 7%

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BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2020 12:49

"How much would fear of losing income play a part for more economically active"

It must have a massive effect
In any other context, how many people would sacrifice hundreds, maybe thousands of pounds to possibly avoid harm to people they don't even know, or know casually

You don't have to be struggling with bills to decide against doing this

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BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2020 12:51

NHS Test and Trace regional breakdowns 28 May to 14 October 2020: data tables

Lists totals & % reached for UTLAs

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/928539/Regionallcontacttracinggw20.csv/preview

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ancientgran · 22/10/2020 12:53

TheSunisStillShining, are you in Hungary? From Hungary? I spent a month there in 1982, had a wonderful time and really loved it, a week at Lake Balaton was an interesting contrast to Budapest. I went back 30 years later, not sure if it was me being older and jaded or if it was different but I felt a bit disappointed to be honest. I think somethings had improved but the thing I noticed was people seemed less friendly, less wanting to help.

In my 1982 visit I remember being a bit terrified when I thought I was being assaulted in a queue for icecream when I was suddenly pushed to the front of the queue, from person to person. Apparently it was because I had a baby in my arms, I got used to it and found the people almost fighting to help me get kids buggy and bags on to buses and trams really lovely.

Perhaps it was the baby that made the difference?