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MadeleineMaxwell · 20/10/2020 18:28

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Flossie44 · 20/10/2020 18:28

Do you really see this as punishment?? And a reason to revolt??
What happens if you or your loved ones can’t get urgent life saving treatment?? Will you be revolting then?? Marching??

FractionalGains · 20/10/2020 18:29

@Thundercats77 restaurants and pubs serving substantial food don’t have to close but equally in most cases they can’t really survive operating in circumstances where households cannot mix indoors or at any outdoor tables they have. I have a friend who manages a gastro pub who says they might be better off shutting as at least they’d get support as opposed to dying a slow but certain death under these restrictions

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 20/10/2020 18:29

@Doingitaloneandproud

If Manchesters numbers are as high as they are showing it is no surprise they are being locked down futher. I think the people in Manchester would compain more if their relatives couldn't get treatment or an ICU bed

This. They shouldn't have been allowed to delay as long as they have been. UK Government has ultimate responsibility and when the people of Greater Manchester are turned away from hospitals and die unnecessarily, Burnham will just find another way (lack of funding) to blame that on UK Government rather than it having been caused by his own political delaying tactics. Greater Manchester's refusal to comply could yet make the whole sorry situation worse than it needs to be everywhere else in the UK.

MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 20/10/2020 18:30

I think we need the local lockdown, but people also need to know the financial support is there. There were good questions at the press conference about where the money is and if Mcr are going to get at least what was offered rather than be punished for a government failure to offer more.

I do hope Johnson realises that if any more of his cronies break the laws they impose on others there will be hell to pay.

Blondiney · 20/10/2020 18:30

@Iamthewombat

I live in Manchester. I trust the scientists. Much more than than I trust that posturing populist Andy Burnham.

Yep, me too. Burnham is a gobshite.

grenouilleescargot · 20/10/2020 18:30

@Napqueen1234

F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

people aren't following the rules because they are selfish dicks. Nothing to do with Johnson despite how much I hate the moron.

CrappleUmble · 20/10/2020 18:30

@Flossie44

Do you really see this as punishment?? And a reason to revolt?? What happens if you or your loved ones can’t get urgent life saving treatment?? Will you be revolting then?? Marching??

I'm quite worried about my loved ones and wider community not being able to feed their kids, pay their bills or receive social care from a council whose revenue is being gutted. Does that count?

sweetheartyparty · 20/10/2020 18:32

I'm with AB. He was being punished for daring to ask for more. He was trying to do the best for his constituents.
What I don't understand is BJ said that workers who are forced to be furloughed would effectively get 80% of their wages when combining universal credit with the furlough scheme. Why not give the worker 80% in the first place? It all comes from the same place. Why put those on low wages in the precarious position of waiting for their universal credit to pay up when it could be paid immediately on their normal payday

Parker231 · 20/10/2020 18:32

Boris has treated all the Tier 3 areas badly. How can people on a minimum wage job now only have 60% of that to live on under the new job support scheme?

Lostandlonely2020 · 20/10/2020 18:32

I’m confused it says 22 millions plus 80 percent wages from universal credit. It’s not a lockdown most people and organisations will be working and opening.
🤷‍♀️

MadameBlobby · 20/10/2020 18:32

I’m fed up with hearing about the hospitality industry suffering. What about all the people and businesses who can’t begin to get back to work until things start to improve

Including people in hospitality

FractionalGains · 20/10/2020 18:33

@MonkeySnake and where I said pubs are more important than schools? I was highlighting how facile your initial point was by saying if it’s as simple as “are we meant to just let people die”, the same would apply to anywhere where transmission occurs. If we let it continue it

Incidentally I have a young baby and haven’t been near a pub or drunk more than half a glass for months and months, since before lockdown. Ignoring that, perhaps you’d like to evidence your assertion that people thinking pubs are more important than schools (whoever such people may be) have caused this situation?

Well done on the rhyme though.

felineflutter · 20/10/2020 18:33

Maybe Burnham has his hands in the million pound property pies in Manchester whose value have basically bottomed out just now...

userxx · 20/10/2020 18:34

I'm quite worried about my loved ones and wider community not being able to feed their kids, pay their bills or receive social care from a council whose revenue is being gutted. Does that count?

Of course it doesn't because it won't say COVID on the death certificate and that's the ONLY thing that matters.

The amount of people harping on about lack of hospital beds makes me want to cry, are they really that fucking thick?

MonkeySnake · 20/10/2020 18:34

[quote FractionalGains]@MonkeySnake and where I said pubs are more important than schools? I was highlighting how facile your initial point was by saying if it’s as simple as “are we meant to just let people die”, the same would apply to anywhere where transmission occurs. If we let it continue it

Incidentally I have a young baby and haven’t been near a pub or drunk more than half a glass for months and months, since before lockdown. Ignoring that, perhaps you’d like to evidence your assertion that people thinking pubs are more important than schools (whoever such people may be) have caused this situation?

Well done on the rhyme though.[/quote]
So, to clarify, you actually agree with me but decided to imply you didn't for the purpose of proving a point? The point being that you actually agree with me... ok...

Parker231 · 20/10/2020 18:35

Tier 3 restrictions

Mancbear88 · 20/10/2020 18:35

Manchester’s been in a version of tier 2 lockdown since July. Places in GM were put into this at rates of 7 per 100,000, which I think is now tier 1. So barely anytime since March without local restrictions, with potentially months of not seeing friends and family ahead. People I know are struggling with the social side, just not seeing anyone bar your household.

I can’t see how shutting pubs that don’t serve food, casinos, soft play and bookies, where there’s very little transmission is going to make any sort of impact. Especially when the spread is largely from schools and universities. The main impact will be throwing the poorest people into more poverty, without the funding needed to support them.

Tier 2 has made no impact at all bar the figures rising, and there doesn’t seem much change to tier 3. It’s not the magic solution Boris thinks it is.

twilightermummy · 20/10/2020 18:35

Boris is a bully.
Disappointed with JVT tonight.
Fuck this government.

ChloeCrocodile · 20/10/2020 18:35

Johnson and his government are clearly spiteful pricks. I’m not a fan of Burnham generally, but to remove the offered £60m for political point scoring is absolutely appalling. It is acting against the best interests of the citizens of Manchester - and Johnson is supposed to be their prime minister too. There is (and should be) a significant cost to a society which chooses to treat some of its citizens as more equal than others. And I’m resident in merseyside, where we have received twice the funding Greater Manchester has, despite having half the population. It is simply wrong to do this.

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LilyMumsnet · 20/10/2020 18:36

Hi folks,

Can we have some peace and love, please?

MonkeySnake · 20/10/2020 18:37

@ChloeCrocodile

Johnson and his government are clearly spiteful pricks. I’m not a fan of Burnham generally, but to remove the offered £60m for political point scoring is absolutely appalling. It is acting against the best interests of the citizens of Manchester - and Johnson is supposed to be their prime minister too. There is (and should be) a significant cost to a society which chooses to treat some of its citizens as more equal than others. And I’m resident in merseyside, where we have received twice the funding Greater Manchester has, despite having half the population. It is simply wrong to do this.

Did you actually listen to the press briefing? GM is getting £60m but £22m is going directly to AB and the remainder is going directly to the local areas.

PanamaPattie · 20/10/2020 18:37

On the live broadcast, before the update from Boris, not one person in Manchester that appeared with Andy Burnham was wearing a mask. Why not?

hesaidshesaidwhat · 20/10/2020 18:38

What I don't understand about any of this is that they must have stats coming out of their ears to make these decisions. Negotiating with individual areas is ridiculous, there should be a formula used that is based on the area taking into consideration things such as population type (old/young), numbers on UC, numbers self employed, density of population etc. This wouldn't please everyone but it would be a system that people could buy in to and understand. It's the complete randomness of these decisions that is causing so many problems.

MonkeySnake · 20/10/2020 18:40

@PanamaPattie

On the live broadcast, before the update from Boris, not one person in Manchester that appeared with Andy Burnham was wearing a mask. Why not?

Guess they all had medical exemptions...