Manchester- screw you Boris

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F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

But Manchester's numbers are pretty bad aren't they? And we are only in October?

I agree I feel like Andy Burnham is posturing a bit to try and make it look like he is 'standing up' to Boris, without actually thinking things through. What is the alternative? Covid is rife in Manchester.

He'd costed it. He asked for what it would cost.

I used to have a lot of respect for Andy Burnham but he has gone down massively in my estimations with his handling of this.

Both parties where being too stubborn and unwilling to give an inch and while they have been arguing more lives have been risked

@Fawking
No he costed his own version of support that was much greater than is being provided elsewhere and which was never going to be acceptable to central government. If local leaders want to provide enhanced support that needs to come from local funds.

Here we go.

Tory spadbots misrepresenting reality to the brain cell challenged.

If I lived in Manchester, I'd be very worried about the hospital admissions- the graphs just shown in the Press Conference look horrific.

@allmycats

Burnham is a shit stirrer of the 1st degree. Why should his region have more support than others who have already been in tier 3 for some weeks? He thinks he knows better than the Manchester hospitals ITU chiefs. He is another man putting his own personal ambition above everything else.

The population of Greater Manchester is double that of the Liverpool City Region and Lancashire.

Many people commenting are missing the point entirely.

Burnham isn't against moving to tier 3.

He is against moving to tier 3 without financial support to help the people/businesses of Manchester survive...or the opportunity to take control of testing, track and trace locally. Because he knows that without that the lockdown will cause more hardship than anything else.

It is very disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

We need more politicians to challenge useless Johnson and his cronies.

@KnightsofColumbusThatHurt but that's AB point. To bring numbers down they NEED people to comply. If they can't afford to they won't comply. To think that this is about youngsters wanting to party is viewing this through a Southern middle class perspective.

And I will add, I bloody HATE the Torys, especially Johnson, but the facts show Manchester needs to lock down, hopefully for a very shore time.

@Requinblanc

Many people commenting are missing the point entirely.

Burnham isn't against moving to tier 3.

He is against moving to tier 3 without financial support to help the people/businesses of Manchester survive...or the opportunity to take control of testing, track and trace locally. Because he knows that without that the lockdown will cause more hardship than anything else.

It is very disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

We need more politicians to challenge useless Johnson and his cronies.

Absolutely.

But the Tory spadbots are out in force.

toxteth I'm not moralising, I asked a question.

I'm very sorry to hear about your family member, I lost one this week so I understand.

However if the hospitals become overrun with Covid patients because people won't or can't comply, then there simply will not be any capacity to deal with anything else. It's not like doctors want to be deciding who lives and who dies.

Public health shouldn't be a matter for bargaining and deals. There should be financial support set out for the whole country depending on the tier. Andy Burnham is out of order and I hope the outcome is not more deaths.

Burnham isn't against moving to tier 3

He really has gone the wrong way about it. He should have locked down and then made a huge noise about the money needed. Instead he's had a standoff and more people will have been infected.

@LizzieSiddal

If I lived in Manchester, I'd be very worried about the hospital admissions- the graphs just shown in the Press Conference look horrific.

But what are you comparing the graph too? Any year you could have a bar chart showing admissions increasing in autumn and winter. We need to know what is the current vs last year. And how close to capacity are we and what capacity can be created (i.e. a forecast because the nhs is actually good at creating capacity).

But no Boris wheels out scientists to show some scary graphs to get you all nodding and agreeing. Wake up.

It's notable that the only countries that have actually got covid under control are either isolated island nations where the population have accepted lengthy border closures or dictatorships where it is possible to impose and enforce restrictions that are much stronger than would ever be possible in a democratic country.

Manchester was offered 60 million which was the same amount that other tier 3 areas got. Why should they have got more?

Burnham tried to demand 65 million which was just petty shit stirring.

Manchester resident here

Friends and family very divided over this

I do think AB has wasted time and it’s clear from the graphs that GM heading into a sticky situation

But we have been under tighter lockdown restrictions than most of the country for months people are getting exhausted by it it’s been extremely tough

I’m a key worker and heading out every day to be with colleagues then not seeing my parents or friends is tough!! I don’t think this tier 3 will work anyway as people that I know have given up now and doing what they like

Socialising has gone underground, family and friends have had visitors from other countries come over- not isolating at all and having house gatherings with said foreign family (zero home office checks btw)

Part of me does think (hope) AB stance was taken so that if we know we have financial backing and security we can suck up the tighter restrictions

Who knows what’s going to happen now. Probably nothing else and cases will continue to rise

@Purpledaisychain

Manchester was offered 60 million which was the same amount that other tier 3 areas got. Why should they have got more?

Burnham tried to demand 65 million which was just petty shit stirring.

Because more people live in Greater Manchester than in the other areas.

Are you saying that each area should get a flat rate regardless of its population?

If every local government official with a glory complex is allowed to mouth off and claim they are a special case it will be chaos. Totally agree with setting national criteria for Tier 3 support which are applied equally in all cases.

Anyone would think G Manchester is the only place in England at the moment the way the news and threads go.

But why didn't the government actually give the 60M if that's what they can afford, it's like they are playing a game of monopoly rather than trying to help people.

Sorry but why exactly should Manchester have more than other areas?

He was offered £60m, far more than elsewhere and quibbled over £5m. Well now he has £22m.

Really dont get mumsnet. We have endless posts about how people are suffering because of job losses, mental health etc and when someone fights for our rights we put him down. This government is shambles, wake up people things could be alot better if we had better decision making from our government.

Per capita it's less than Liverpool and Lancashire