Manchester- screw you Boris

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F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

'Burnham is a shit stirrer of the 1st degree. Why should his region have more support than others who have already been in tier 3 for some weeks? He thinks he knows better than the Manchester hospitals ITU chiefs. He is another man putting his own personal ambition above everything else.'

This ^

Maybe if he concentrated on getting the public health message out instead of swaggering about like The Saviour Of The North doing press conferences they'd be in a better position. He is shamelessly using it as a popularity platform. Ridiculous man. Look at the numbers fgs and stfu.

toxteth I'm well aware that doctors make decisions about life and death on a daily basis thanks, hell I'm friends with two. Surely though you can see unless we keep Covid contained as best we can ourselves then there will be no nhs to treat anything else ongoing. This pandemic should illustrate with huge, flashing neon lights that the nhs has been chronically underfunded for years by all political parties, it's a time for social reform.

I've just read the comment above about some people in the area mixing households, having parties and not wearing masks or social distancing on public transport or in shops.

The person who's income is going to drop from a lockdown doesn't have any more rights than the person who's high risk taking public transport to get to their minimum wage job at a supermarket. Both are losers but one could potentially die fairly rapidly. The other has other (and I agree, very limited) options.

It's all fairly shitty but we have to take a degree of responsibility ourselves.

@Chloemol you do realise that it’s not Andy Burnham who will personally suffer, it’s the people living in Greater Manchester (which includes several towns and boroughs) who will receive less support per capita than other areas?
Please, have some compassion.

Two gorillas chest beating at each other. It will be Andy who ends up with Boris flinging shit at him and he deserves it. He's using the Manchester community as pawns in his political game.

The Government has billions to waste on contracts for their donors:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-failing-serco-won-another-57m-covid-contract-without-competition/

yet won't decently support the ordinary citizens it expects to lock down.

@LilyMumsnet - she started it

@Requinblanc

Many people commenting are missing the point entirely.

Burnham isn't against moving to tier 3.

He is against moving to tier 3 without financial support to help the people/businesses of Manchester survive...or the opportunity to take control of testing, track and trace locally. Because he knows that without that the lockdown will cause more hardship than anything else.

It is very disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

We need more politicians to challenge useless Johnson and his cronies.

I agree with this.

@ChloeCrocodile

Johnson and his government are clearly spiteful pricks. I’m not a fan of Burnham generally, but to remove the offered £60m for political point scoring is absolutely appalling. It is acting against the best interests of the citizens of Manchester - and Johnson is supposed to be their prime minister too. There is (and should be) a significant cost to a society which chooses to treat some of its citizens as more equal than others. And I’m resident in merseyside, where we have received twice the funding Greater Manchester has, despite having half the population. It is simply wrong to do this.

Johnson is punishing Manchester for standing up. He is sending a message to other Northern cities, basically saying 'do as you are told, or this will be you too when it's your turn for tier 3.'

For those of you congratulating yourselves for following the science, can you tell us which scientists are advocating a Tier 3 lockdown for GM paired with piss poor financial support?

@toxtethOgradyUSA

Are scientists not supposed to be impartial? Never seen such a ridiculous piece of propaganda as that before Blow Job's speech. They are an absolute disgrace the lot of them. I hope Manchester revolts!!! I will be over there marching with them if they do.

And when hospitals are full what will you do then? I guess you're just assuming it won't be you who needs to use the hospital and you don't work in one either so who cares right?

@PanamaPattie

On the live broadcast, before the update from Boris, not one person in Manchester that appeared with Andy Burnham was wearing a mask. Why not?

Why should they? They were outside...even inside with 1m+ is fine.

Most northerners earn just above minimum wage. I know this because I am from there, have worked there and have loads of family living there. Down south, where I and one of my siblings live, we have opportunities that we would never get up there because London has all the top jobs. My DH earns at least 5 times that of my next relative and works half as hard.

My point is that If my DH got 60% of his salary that is one thing. 60% of not very much is a whole other thing. You can't pay your mortgage, feed your kids or put the heating on in winter. Christmas is now off the cards for a lot of people.

It's OK to spend 10 billion on track and bollocks, headed up by a family friend who has form for fucking things up. Anyone who wants to make a complaint about this can contact Dozo Hardings husband, John Penrose who is responsible for implementing the conservatives anti-corruption strategy.

Andy Burnham may look like he has been K'od but you will see the repercussions of this in the not so distant future. With one brush stroke, Boris and his cronies have just painted the whole of the north red.

Some of you have mentioned that people will still vote Tory. Yes they will in their cosy middle class homes and in the constituencies like mine where our Conservative MP doesn't even have to show their face for them to be voted in. However, there is no way that the north will vote Tory after this. Even if they don't agree with AB, they will see that Boris has treated them with contempt after promising to balance the wealth and the N/S divide.

Boris has just sounded the death knoll for both his corona strategy and the Tory party. If the Tory party has any sense they will have a vote of no confidence and kick him out because they just lost the north.

That said Manchester does need financial support.

@PanamaPattie were Boris and JVT wearing a mask?

@ILikeTrains

Two gorillas chest beating at each other. It will be Andy who ends up with Boris flinging shit at him and he deserves it. He's using the Manchester community as pawns in his political game.

Did you post this in ignorance of the 100% opposition to the government from GM Tory elected representatives too, or do they just not count?

hesaidshesaidwhat I really hope that data would include the bigger picture because I suspect that lockdowns and the obsession with covid to the exclusion of anything else is now leading to as many deaths as it saves. I would like to see the ONS stats on how many people normally die at this time of year, how many beds are normally available in hospital, the average age of death of someone who dies after testing positive for covid etc. This would give a totally different picture to the one we have just been given in the press conference.

Andy Burnham did a good job. He has highlighted and said things that needed saying.
Manchester got £60million. Boris just spun the numbers like he always does.
Everyone knows the high number of cases in the northern cities are caused by mass testing in the universities.
I am sure if they did mass testing in the southern universities they would get the same high numbers of positive cases.

The whole thing stinks. Many people who are working zero hour minimum wage jobs and barely make ends meet as it is will be asked to manage on much less.

IMNOTSHOUTING “ And when hospitals are full what will you do then? I guess you're just assuming it won't be you who needs to use the hospital and you don't work in one either so who cares right?”

Did you campaign for lockdown when there were previous black alerts for hospitals?

@Bromeliad

They keep waffling along about our local hospital being full. It's always sodding full by now. It deals with half the Peak District as well as our borough. The local Public Health director was trying to point this out at the weekend. So their scary graphs are great except they don't seem to bother to have spoken to people on the ground who know what it's like normally.

So true. I assume you're in the same area as me (Stepping hill) The hospital is always near capacity this time of year. Salford Royal was at over 96% capacity last october.

I forgot.

FUCK YOU BORIS

'Burnham isn't against moving to tier 3.He is against moving to tier 3 without financial support to help the people/businesses of Manchester survive'

Bollocks. They offered 60m! Yet he demanded 5m more. He's like a kid having a tantrum. I thought Johnson was quite restrained he should have said Burnham has risked the health of GM all for his 5 minutes of fame.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Burnham isn't against moving to tier 3.He is against moving to tier 3 without financial support to help the people/businesses of Manchester survive'

Bollocks. They offered 60m! Yet he demanded 5m more. He's like a kid having a tantrum. I thought Johnson was quite restrained he should have said Burnham has risked the health of GM all for his 5 minutes of fame.

You can't possibly think Burnham isn't already very high profile?

@Chloemol and you think that’s fair “well now he has 22 million”? He’s playing fucking poker with people’s lives with that power trip he’s on! And you think that’s ok? You utter disgrace. People will become homeless because of this!!

@GetOffYourHighHorse, as AB pointed out, £5M might not seem much, but if it’s going towards feeding thousands of families over the next few months it’s actually quite a lot.