Manchester- screw you Boris

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F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

They, Merseyside and South Yorkshire, might disagree with Boris and the Govt in general but they put party politics aside on the 3 tier issue. Burnham didn't.

and this

The assumption that everyone who disagrees with Burnham must agree with Boris is what's idiotic

A quote from the Labour mayor of Sheffield:

'We all recognise the gravity of the situation and have taken the responsible route to ensure we save lives and livelihoods, and protect our NHS.'

That should say agree with this and this

BJ meanwhile is making an utter tit of himself at PMQs, right now.

BJ has no grasp of detail. None. He's dangerous.

@JamieLeeCurtains

BJ has no grasp of detail. None. He's dangerous.

That's why he felt so compelled to keep Cummings on despite the latter blatantly laughing in the face of us all with the eye test fiasco.

BJ meanwhile is making an utter tit of himself at PMQs, right now.

It's a weekly feature. The subsequent John Crace article is one of my highlights

Andy Burnham donates 15% of his salary to homeless charities.

Just thought I'd chuck that in there for those throwing stones at him.
He has more integrity than most of our other leaders.

this article makes me feel sick. Also makes Burnham standing his ground for more funding make more sense and makes me even more angry that the government walked away over an extra £5M for a large metropolitan county

This whole farce is a deliberate attempt to divide us again.

You wait, we'll have a national funded lockdown again as soon as numbers in the south start rising. Because we can't have that can we.
But when its the North its THIS

A quote from the Labour mayor of Sheffield:

'We all recognise the gravity of the situation and have taken the responsible route to ensure we save lives and livelihoods, and protect our NHS.'

Yes similar to what Anderson (L'pool) said and I'm old enough to remember just how militant L'pool and South Yorks can be. Derek Hatton and Arthur Scargill made Burnham look like Jacob Rees Mogg

But L'pool and S Yorks have put their party politcs aside, they saw the urgency of needing tier 3

Dear God you can smell the tories on this thread.
This sets a precedence for the rest of England though, doubt anyone else will even speak up for their areas, like AB did.

@Poopoodidoo

I live in Salford. Cases have increased dramatically in the last few days alone. I take public transport and the number of people who refuse to wear masks or moan when I open the friggin windows is staggering. It has been anywhere between 30% to 50% not wearing masks on PT. People don’t wear masks in shops either. The pub near me still has people drinking after midnight, the police haven’t done anything about it. Based on my observations I knew this would happen so fuck off with your posturing, we’ve brought it on ourselves.

My thoughts exactly, well said!

@RockingMyFiftiesNot

this article makes me feel sick. Also makes Burnham standing his ground for more funding make more sense and makes me even more angry that the government walked away over an extra £5M for a large metropolitan county

More people need to read this article and see the incestuous relationship between governement bodies and associates that 'should' be acting as checks and balances against corruption. They are not. The present government is literally robbing us, and I would support anyone in their (legal) efforts to stand up to them.

This thread has depressed me utterly. The UK is so divided now and this is the fault of the governments (plural) who have been politicising the pandemic once the immediate panic was over. So now you have the lockdown fanatics, the people who think there more harms coming from lockdowns (or tier 3) than posed by Covid, and the ones who just want to carry on pre-pandemic. The Governments have brought in more and more contradictory restrictions, which no one now understands, and don't make sense to them individually, so they don't comply. And it's merry go round.

And FWIW you can't impose tier 3 without supporting the most economically vulnerable no matter where they live. And if the government can't do this we have to have an honest conversation with the public about what is now acceptable in terms of risk / deaths / outcomes. And stop the bloody scaremongering

No other county in the north, all of them just as deprived as Greater Manchester, has done that.

As I wrote above, Lucy Powell, a Manchester MP, explained it needs to be taken into account the fact that business density in Greater Manchester is bigger than other areas, and that they have many more low paid workers. Burnham is looking out for his population and I applaud him.

However, a big issue is missed in this, if our govt were not so ideologically wedded to private enterprise for everything when for some things state can be better they might not have bypassed the NHS and handed crucial services to corporate executives which has led to the catastrophic failure of test and trace. Had we had a better test and trace system running in the summer numbers may have not got so high.

Indeed, the Dido Express gravy train has cost lives.

But L'pool and S Yorks have put their party politcs aside, they saw the urgency of needing tier 3

Again as I said above Steve Rotherham, Mayor of the Liverpool City Region has tweeted in support of Burnham. He tweeted:

“Solidarity @AndyBurnhamGM and everyone in Greater Manchester. We're in the middle of a health crisis yet the Government is playing divide and rule. Setting communities against each other and making us fight for millions while giving Serco billions.”

twitter.com/metromayorsteve/status/1318612790676946946?s=21

@IwishIwasyoda

This thread has depressed me utterly. The UK is so divided now and this is the fault of the governments (plural) who have been politicising the pandemic once the immediate panic was over. So now you have the lockdown fanatics, the people who think there more harms coming from lockdowns (or tier 3) than posed by Covid, and the ones who just want to carry on pre-pandemic. The Governments have brought in more and more contradictory restrictions, which no one now understands, and don't make sense to them individually, so they don't comply. And it's merry go round.

And FWIW you can't impose tier 3 without supporting the most economically vulnerable no matter where they live. And if the government can't do this we have to have an honest conversation with the public about what is now acceptable in terms of risk / deaths / outcomes. And stop the bloody scaremongering

Could not have phrased it better.

Again as I said above Steve Rotherham, Mayor of the Liverpool City Region has tweeted in support of Burnham. He tweeted...

Both mayors Anderson and Rotherham agreed to tier 3

They might not like the Govt, they might want more funding, all the urban north does, but they didn't disgree with tier 3 the way Burnham has. That's my whole point

It will be interesting to see if West Yorks goes into tier 3 and what is said, it's a very similar county to Greater Manchester

@Ineverdidmind

Andy Burnham donates 15% of his salary to homeless charities.

Just thought I'd chuck that in there for those throwing stones at him.
He has more integrity than most of our other leaders.

I’ll stick my cynical view that ambition and integrity don’t intersect for politicians. Burnham was always ambitious.

Again as I said above Steve Rotherham, Mayor of the Liverpool City Region has tweeted in support of Burnham. He tweeted...

Talk (and tweets) are cheap, though, aren’t they?

Andy Burnham donates 15% of his salary to homeless charities.

And makes sure that everyone knows about it.

I’m not a supporter of the current government but nor do I support cynical, posturing metropolitan mayors attempting to model themselves on Rudy Giuliani.

Andy Burnham donates 15% of his salary to homeless charities.

And makes sure that everyone knows about it.

That negates it does it? Meanwhile Boris Johnson hands out corrupt contracts to his Eton pals 🤦‍♀️ Just listen to yourself.

"I only like the people who donate to charity that I don't know about"

Do you think that politicians who ostentatiously showboat about how much they do for charity should be lauded? I don’t.

@Flaxmeadow

Again as I said above Steve Rotherham, Mayor of the Liverpool City Region has tweeted in support of Burnham. He tweeted...

Both mayors Anderson and Rotherham agreed to tier 3

They might not like the Govt, they might want more funding, all the urban north does, but they didn't disgree with tier 3 the way Burnham has. That's my whole point

It will be interesting to see if West Yorks goes into tier 3 and what is said, it's a very similar county to Greater Manchester

From Rotherham’s tweet I think he probably did it extremely reluctantly and obviously supports Burnham calling the govt to account for their insufficient financial support.

Now South Yorkshire is going into Tier 3 and city leaders have according to newspaper reports attacked ‘the government’s “tawdry” and divisive approach to imposing tough coronavirus restrictions, saying its £41m deal is far less than needed and tied up in red tape.

Chris Read, the leader of Rotherham borough council, said the region required £90m to help businesses, low-paid workers and for test and trace but that the government was not prepared to negotiate any higher than £41m.

Julie Dore, the leader of Sheffield city council, said the £41m would “not allow us to provide the support for people that is needed”. She said local leaders had requested “significantly greater financial support in addition to the national schemes” but had to settle for the government’s standard offer. Dore said she would continue to plead with the government to return to the same level of financial support as was available during the national lockdown.’

As I have said before, I applaud Burnham for trying to get sufficient funds and which he said he hoped would be a blue print for all

This govt is letting these areas down and if more areas have to go into Tier 3 it’s clear that the govt will not provide sufficient financial support. Some will say there isn’t enough money but many economists say it will cost more money long term to allow local economies to crash.

And I have said before my criticism lies with the govt who rather than use the NHS and local govts to operate a test and trace system who have the expertise they handed out £12 billion to private corporates to do most of the test and trace. It hasn’t worked and cases have risen. There is a good chance if they had kept it within nhs and local authorities the system would have worked much better in the summer and we wouldn’t be seeing the high rise cases we are now.