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Manchester- screw you Boris

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Napqueen1234 · 20/10/2020 16:53

F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

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Janevaljane · 21/10/2020 09:12

I don't really understand why Lisa Nandy finds a National lockdown desirable while slating the government for imposing regional lockdown. Afaik the 67% furlough would have been applied nationally.

Flaxmeadow · 21/10/2020 09:19

What Johnson has done today is disgraceful. If he offered £60m - which he did - then he should have stuck at that figure, not spitefully cut it to £22m.

This is not true. The 60m is still available.

The counties in the north are being offered the same amount of money per head of their populations.

I agree they probably all need more, but unfortunately there isn't a never ending pot of money available.

Why should Greater Manchester be entitled to more money than anywhere else in the north and why block tier 3. Why not agree to it and then campaign for more, instead of holding tier 3 back for 10 days.

No other county/mayor/council has done what Burnham is doing or is saying they will do it. He is making out GM is an exceptional case, it isn't

Flaxmeadow · 21/10/2020 09:20

South Yorkshire has just agreed to tier 3

Janevaljane · 21/10/2020 09:22

What Johnson has done today is disgraceful. If he offered £60m - which he did - then he should have stuck at that figure, not spitefully cut it to £22m

Lisa Nandy said this morning they had got that wrong and someone had given them false information. The 60 is available .

ouchmyfeet · 21/10/2020 09:27

Well said @Redissuereader

Frazzled2207 · 21/10/2020 09:27

I think we will end up getting the £60m somehow but possibly split between the 10 councils rather than one lot for us all.
But it's a pittance. And not just for GM for all the northern cities facing this. That said our patience is thinner because we've basically had restrictions akin to tier 2 since the end of July.
Our local tory MP who is usually useless is standing by Andy Burnham which I am very pleased about.
£60 million is a drop in the ocean for the treasury. £12 BILLION to serco for test and trace which in theory should help us get out of this mess and could be justified but it DOESN'T WORK. £55 million for a bridge in London that wasn't even built.
Business in the north have suffered disproportionately and it will take YEARS to recover the economy, if we ever do. I suspect Boris will lose all his new tory MPs in the north at the next election and with very good reason.

PrincessBuggerPants · 21/10/2020 09:29

This thread is disgraceful.

If after this year you think Burnham rather than Boris Johnson is to blame for deaths from Covid, then you deserve everything you get tbh.

Useful idiots indeed.

RedToothBrush · 21/10/2020 09:35

@Janevaljane

What Johnson has done today is disgraceful. If he offered £60m - which he did - then he should have stuck at that figure, not spitefully cut it to £22m

Lisa Nandy said this morning they had got that wrong and someone had given them false information. The 60 is available .

Johnson has form for playing slight of hand over numbers.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if x had been offered and then after this had all collapsed the government have said y was offered but the format it differently as to make it look like G Manchester were offered more than they were, but in reality this was never on the table to begin with.

We've also seen the 'renouncement' of money to things like the NHS as if its new money, when its actually part of a previous package thats already been announced in order to inflate figures.

We also know councils were promised money previously which didnt turn up.

So excuse my skepticism on some of the numbers and the subsequent arguments after the fact.

Flaxmeadow · 21/10/2020 09:39

What is it exactly, you find so 'off'?

That he held back a public health emergency initiative and used that holding back as a bartering tool and while infection rates kept rising

No other county in the north, all of them just as deprived as Greater Manchester, has done that.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 21/10/2020 09:41

'The way i see it, Johnson has tried to fuck Manchester multiple times and this is just the most public and latest in a series. '

Oh stop being so melodramatic. There is a pandemic you know, infection rates are much higher in the northwest. They are giving financial support whilst imposing targeted restrictions, it's nothing to do with anyone 'fucking' with anyone. As a pp said if we go into national lockdown there will also be a fixed financial support. Will Burnham expect more then too?!

Burnham needs to put his ego to one side and accept the 60m plus 22m.

RedToothBrush · 21/10/2020 09:48

@Janevaljane

I don't really understand why Lisa Nandy finds a National lockdown desirable while slating the government for imposing regional lockdown. Afaik the 67% furlough would have been applied nationally.
The problem with restrictions in T3 is they haven't worked in Bolton. There is no evidence they will work. And even the government scientists dont think they will work.

But people who have gone through this are being ignored in favour of an approach which brings financial hardship for no health benefit.

Its like flogging a dead horse.

We do know that a full short circuit breaker is effective. And crucially its also more enforceable with more people complying.

The argument with Manchester included wanting evidence that transmission was happening particularly around pubs. The government are yet to provide this and say theres no time to provide it.

We still dont really know where transmission is occurring apart from 'inside'.

In which case why are bars closing, but not restaurants and pubs that serve food?

It half arsed.

Its either, lets just get the fuck on and do this properly and quickly or carry on with restrictions that we know dont work and are prolonged.

GabriellaMontez · 21/10/2020 09:54

@Flaxmeadow

What is it exactly, you find so 'off'?

That he held back a public health emergency initiative and used that holding back as a bartering tool and while infection rates kept rising

No other county in the north, all of them just as deprived as Greater Manchester, has done that.

No other county in the north has been in tier 2 like restrictions since july.

Numbers arent rising.

StormzyinaTCup · 21/10/2020 09:56

IMO AB has seen a window of opportunity to single handedly rebuild the ‘red wall’ and he has grabbed it for all its worth. This is not about the people of Manchester it’s about the politics first and foremost. It’s the same old thing that we see time and again and it’s very divisive.

Manchester isn’t the first and it won’t be the last to go into Tier three but I can guarantee no other Mayor/council leader is going to behave the way he has.

He has overplayed his hand.

Flaxmeadow · 21/10/2020 09:56

The argument with Manchester included wanting evidence that transmission was happening particularly around pubs. The government are yet to provide this and say theres no time to provide it.

For the millionth time. This is not about Manchester. It is about the county of Greater Manchester. There are other cities and large towns in the county of Greater Manchester to consider

Manchester is just one place in GM and Burnham is supposed to be representing all of them

There are 4 towns/cities in GM that are higher per 100,000 than Manchester. (GM has 10 boroughs)

Rochdale 476.6 (1060), 407.8 (907)
Wigan 452.7 (1488), 390.1 (1282)
Salford 428.5 (1109), 393.3 (1018)
Oldham 422.6 (1002), 389.3 (923)
Manchester 421.6 (2331), 498.7 (2757)

Flaxmeadow · 21/10/2020 09:59

No other county in the north has been in tier 2 like restrictions since july

No you're wrong
Half of West Yorkshire and most of Lancashire has as well

This is part of the problem with GM's leaders, and not just during a pandemic. They seem to think GM is the only place in the north full stop!

loobyloo1234 · 21/10/2020 10:03

What is so hard to understand for you Tory bots? Even £60m works out to be something around £100 per head - thats it. Thats all they'll get to try and keep their houses, their businesses, to put food on their table and so on. AB wasn't against Tier 3 - he wanted the financial support to push his people into conforming and sticking to the rules. Without money, people will continue to work, continue to push the boundaries and so on. People can't be expected to stay at home and 'save lives' if they cant afford to put food on the table

vickibee · 21/10/2020 10:05

I am in South Yorks but live in a rural village where there are more sheep than people. I am not looking forward to Tier 3 restrictions at all. So far my son's 2ndry has stayed open with only two reported cases.
Can I still see my 86 yo old Mum who lives alone and relies on me for groceries , medicines etc?

sashagabadon · 21/10/2020 10:10

I think ab has overplayed his hand somewhat and it has backfired a bit but I imagine he took the risk as he hopes it will play out well politically to his voters (I’ve no idea if he has support in gm or not, I imagine a mixed bag).
However that aside I am really pleased to see the economy getting a bit of a look in with people discuss lockdowns (particularly labour as Keir and Sadie seem to want tighter restrictions constantly and AB has single handedly changed that one way conversation and I don’t blame him sticking up for GM)
I do think his arguments are back to front though with his calls for a nationwide lockdown and I am quite sure If GM had low rates and was being put into Tighter restrictions due to high rates in Cornwall or east anglia he would rightly be outraged. And that could well happen in the future so he does need to be careful what he wishes for.

swg1 · 21/10/2020 10:37

@Janevaljane

I don't really understand why Lisa Nandy finds a National lockdown desirable while slating the government for imposing regional lockdown. Afaik the 67% furlough would have been applied nationally.
Two reasons.

  1. National lockdown lights a fire under them to find a way of resolving it. Same way that Tier 2 is nothing until London is in Tier 2 and then it's causing real hardship. Unless it hits the Favoured Regions the government don't care to fix it.

  2. Full lockdown with schools and universities shut might work. This won't. My area isn't in Tier 3 yet but I'm expecting it to be by next week. It won't work and so they'll leave us in it for winter in case it starts working.

SteeperThanHell · 21/10/2020 11:13

For those of you who don’t think rates are rising in Greater Manchester...

Manchester- screw you Boris
toxtethOgradyUSA · 21/10/2020 11:19

Fuck me, BJ's useful idiots are out in full force on this thread Shock

Iamthewombat · 21/10/2020 11:22

And Andy Burnham’s ‘useful idiots’?

StormzyinaTCup · 21/10/2020 11:27

Fuck me, BJ's useful idiots are out in full force on this thread shock

If that's the best you can add to this discussion then I would question who was the idiot tbh.

MaxNormal · 21/10/2020 11:45

Fuck me, BJ's useful idiots are out in full force on this thread

Aren't they just! I didn't think he could have that many left, yet here they all are on this thread.

Flaxmeadow · 21/10/2020 11:58

Aren't they just! I didn't think he could have that many left, yet here they all are on this thread.

Just because someone disagrees with Burnhams grandstanding, it doesn't mean they agree with Boris

Two Labour stronghold met counties in the north, arguably even more left wing than GM, have agreed with Gov't to enter tier 3

They, Merseyside and South Yorkshire, might disagree with Boris and the Govt in general but they put party politics aside on the 3 tier issue. Burnham didn't.

The assumption that everyone who disagrees with Burnham must agree with Boris is what's idiotic

All the urban north wants more money from Govt, rightly IMO, but it's only Burnham/GM who made a big fuss refusing tier 3