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Manchester- screw you Boris

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Napqueen1234 · 20/10/2020 16:53

F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

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ktp100 · 21/10/2020 00:28

Bozo is a cock and reducing the amount of funding from 60 to 22mill is a pure piss take. It's literally punishing the poorest people of Manchester for their Mayor pissing the Tories off.

That said, if people revolt they may well find themselves regretting it very soon. Reports from the hospitals suggest some are almost at capacity again and that's really scary!!

Why anyone would think the science is fabricated is beyond me. Yes, Bozo is a useless aresehole but to suggest some form of conspiracy in which government advisors fudge figures to support the bumbling twat is literally ridiculous.

Flaxmeadow · 21/10/2020 00:30

He wasn’t asking for more money than everywhere else. He was asking for the same, that wasn’t offered. The £65 million was less. Now this sets a precedent for the other areas. It’s bad for all of us.

Even if this is true and I'm not sure it is, he used a public health emergency as a bartering tool to push a political agenda and he did it for 10 days.

OK disgree with central government, make your point, but do it AFTER accepting tier 3. As Anderson (Liverpool) said "we need tier 3".

MaxNormal · 21/10/2020 00:35

Flaxmeadow for a lockdown enthusiast you're pretty unkeen when it comes to paying for it.

Flaxmeadow · 21/10/2020 00:49

for a lockdown enthusiast you're pretty unkeen when it comes to paying for it

The money is not the point. Its Burnhams opportunism. He's using a public health crisis to score age old political points

Everyone knows the north is poor, although I would argue Manchester (the city) and Leeds not so much as thier surrounding areas. I don't dispute the north in general needs more money, with or without covid

What he's doing, it just seems a bit off to me. Well a lot off

StarCat2020 · 21/10/2020 01:02

Everyone knows the north is poor
I don't think that this is strictly true as it over generalises.

Every town / city whether it is in the North or the South has rich and poor areas with rich and poor inhabitants.

The NMW and UC (disregarding housing allowance) is the same across the country.

HeIenaDove · 21/10/2020 01:45

@TheFairyCaravan Totally agree.

Choconuttolata · 21/10/2020 02:28

The 22m is to support local test and trace.
It does not support local business or their workers who are already struggling.

If you listened to AB speak he asked people to respect the public health guidance so as to not make the situation any worse than it already is. It wasn't just him, but other GM leaders speaking about the need for more support for people.

Boris stated that workers would be supported by the furlough scheme which pays 67% of their wages from the government with the presumption that the employer can pay the further 20% to give 80% of income. No good if the business has gone to the wall or no longer has income to pay those wages.

Boris suggested Universal Credit could top up, a system which could barely cope with paying people within 6 weeks when transferring people over from Tax Credits. How it will cope when large numbers apply is anyone's guess.

Who can survive on 67% of their income if businesses can't pay? What happens long term to jobs and future employment prospects in the area if those businesses have gone? There will be higher numbers of unemployed, people will lose their homes, poverty will increase, health outcomes for the population and future generations worsen.

This could happen to any area in England going forward there needs to be a coherent plan for financial support for areas in T3, not just arbitrary figures not matched to local population numbers or need.

PracticingPerson · 21/10/2020 02:42

What Johnson has done today is disgraceful. If he offered £60m - which he did - then he should have stuck at that figure, not spitefully cut it to £22m.

Johnson isn't hurting Burnham, he's hurting British people. Deliberately. That's the British PM deliberately harming British people Angry

Feedingthebirds1 · 21/10/2020 03:10

What Johnson has done today is disgraceful. If he offered £60m - which he did - then he should have stuck at that figure, not spitefully cut it to £22m.

He hasn't cut it to £22m. The £22m was not in question.

The government is offering £22m plus £60m (£82m total) to support businesses. They won't budge.

Andy Burnham wants £22m plus £65m. He won't budge.

Greater Manchester could have the 22 + 60 now. However AB won't take it as he's holding out for the 22 + 65.

Redolent · 21/10/2020 04:28

@Mancala57

There is a Nightingale hospital in the heart of Mcr which can free up huge numbers of beds - this was intentionally excluded from Boris’s ICU estimations. Infection rate is dropping in Manchester. Price per head of population for T3 support, GM is being shat on, which is what AB is fighting for. This government is abominable, utterly incompetent and just driving division.
The ROI is dropping amongst the university student population, after the initial spike. It’s rising everywhere else.
Guylan · 21/10/2020 04:31

@Flaxmeadow

He wasn’t asking for more money than everywhere else. He was asking for the same, that wasn’t offered. The £65 million was less. Now this sets a precedent for the other areas. It’s bad for all of us.

Even if this is true and I'm not sure it is, he used a public health emergency as a bartering tool to push a political agenda and he did it for 10 days.

OK disgree with central government, make your point, but do it AFTER accepting tier 3. As Anderson (Liverpool) said "we need tier 3".

Steve Rotherham, Mayor of the Liverpool City Region has tweeted in support of Burnham. He tweeted:

“Solidarity @AndyBurnhamGM and everyone in Greater Manchester. We're in the middle of a health crisis yet the Government is playing divide and rule. Setting communities against each other and making us fight for millions while giving Serco billions.”

twitter.com/metromayorsteve/status/1318612790676946946?s=21

Lucy Powell, a Manchester MP, explains that Manchester need more money because ‘any economic support package must be based on need - and take into account the fact that business density in Greater Manchester is bigger than other areas, and that they have many more low paid workers’. She also earlier pointed out that Manchester has been in a form of lockdown for a long time and businesses are already on their knees. I know Leicester has been in lockdown for a long time but they are not going into Tier 3

Guylan · 21/10/2020 04:50

Andy Burnham wants £22m plus £65m. He won't budge. Greater Manchester could have the 22 + 60 now. However AB won't take it as he's holding out for the 22 + 65.

The full picture is Burnham said £90 million was what was needed. Govt kept moving the figure down, Burnham said he would go down to £75 million and the absolute minimum Manchester could manage on was £65 million. Jenrick offers £60 million.

IronLawOfGeometricProgression · 21/10/2020 05:57

@Guylan

Andy Burnham wants £22m plus £65m. He won't budge. Greater Manchester could have the 22 + 60 now. However AB won't take it as he's holding out for the 22 + 65.

The full picture is Burnham said £90 million was what was needed. Govt kept moving the figure down, Burnham said he would go down to £75 million and the absolute minimum Manchester could manage on was £65 million. Jenrick offers £60 million.

You begin to realise why we don't have a deal with the EU now, don't you?

Or anyone really.

This government don't understand win-win.

They have to "beat" you. You have to be "punished."

And they call everyone else "recalcitrant." Shock

userxx · 21/10/2020 06:30

What will happen to the staff of the businesses that are forced to close? Under the new furlough scheme that kicks in on 1st November they won't be eligible unless they are working 33% of their "normal pre Covid" hours.

SeaMayweed · 21/10/2020 07:07

The full picture is Burnham said £90 million was what was needed. Govt kept moving the figure down, Burnham said he would go down to £75 million and the absolute minimum Manchester could manage on was £65 million. Jenrick offers £60 million.

This important fact keeps getting forgotten or overlooked.

WokesFromHome · 21/10/2020 07:11

Perhaps those Test and Trace consultants can drop to 60% of their daily salaries (£7,000) and donate the rest to a cause supporting those now unemployed as a result of the governments failures.

This

Janevaljane · 21/10/2020 07:23

Read up on the exemptions before making stupid sweeping comments

Why not mention you are exempt before making belligerent comments about breaking tier 3 rules?

Redissuereader · 21/10/2020 08:07

The amount of people not from GM thinking they know what is best for us is horrendous. The reason more money was asked for was that we have a larger population and a larger economy. If London goes in to tier 3 you can damn well bet your life on a higher level support as “it’s different” so everyone bleating about how Mcr wants to be treated differently is widely missing the point. When tier 2 was announced for London the bbc was all over the economic impact for the area and had loads of hospitality owners on complaining they would go under. Well we’ve been in measures for moths now and the reason rates are rising is because the economic package wasn’t good enough then. You can book a table for 6 people at a testy and three couples can turn up. What can the restaurant do? Send you away? Where are they going to get that loss back from? They only way to get people on board to enforce rules properly is to fund it. Hospitals are at rates seen every October according to family working in ICU. This is a badly managed shitshow and AB was trying to get it back on the rails. At the height of the pandemic we had patients shipped here from all over the country and now it’s everyone for themselves. It’s depressing and not getting better anytime soon

Bollss · 21/10/2020 08:28

I wonder whether there'd be so much uproar if this was the London mayor?

Bollss · 21/10/2020 08:31

@studychick81

Aren't China and New Zealand examples of the fact that if people were more compliant we could get numbers incredibly low?

I was under the impression that In China people were forced to comply and restrictions were much harsher. Numbers went back up when lockdown eased and then down again with effective track and trace.

Errr no. New Zealand is not comparable what so ever and the Chinese WELDED PEOPLE INTO HOUSES so make of that what you will.
Bollss · 21/10/2020 08:32

He's using a public health crisis to score age old political points

And Boris isn't?

sweetheartyparty · 21/10/2020 08:43

Some choice words from the Young Conservatives of Manchester. The tweets were subsequently deleted

Manchester- screw you Boris
Manchester- screw you Boris
Manchester- screw you Boris
RedToothBrush · 21/10/2020 08:49

The government promised councils money for covid at the start of the crisis. It told councils to spend what they needed and it would fund covid spending. Then the government changed its mind and gave a fraction of what it promised, leaving councils which had already spent the money up shit creek.

Manchester is particularly hard hit by this and the fact its councils own Manchester Airport and get a lot of their income from the running of the airport.

So there was a big black covid hole in finances in July.

Before you start adding in lost revenue for council tax and business rates.

And then the local lockdown happened.

And some councils had to fund local track and trace because central government fucked the national one. They got no funding for this.

And thats where we were at before this row blew up.

The government will seek to paint Manchester as being financially mismanaged. There may not be enough money to get through the year yet. However its an extraordinary crisis and the government has already fucked over councils once before this year, and in cases where theyve had to fund local track and trace without government support to this point that's even more the case.

That is not taking into account the actual impact of having prolonged restrictions unlike the rest of the country and other parts of the north.

Its utterly appalling how this has been handled. When Burnham says they need the money in this context i do think its genuine and i dont think its opportunism. At all.

I might also add that there clearly history here and Johnson sees Burnham as a threat to him.

When Johnson launched his manifesto for the north and launched it in Manchester, it went down brilliantly and it was well recieved. People went 'at last someone who is listening to us in the north'. Except it was plagiarised. It was a carbon copy of Burnham's plans for the city to the point it ruffled feathers and this was noted and reported on by the Manchester Evening News.

It strikes me that Johnson is being opportunistic and the aim is to bankrupt the city region and council and rid it of Burnham in order to get rid devolved powers which Johnson hates and the voice of local areas. This is why grinding down communities is probably a fair assessment.

We shall see how this pans out but there are lots of councils in lots of financial trouble and we shall see this pan out in due course.

The way i see it, Johnson has tried to fuck Manchester multiple times and this is just the most public and latest in a series. The trouble is most people arent paying attention to whats going on and has been happening for some time.

Youandmeareluckytobeus · 21/10/2020 08:53

The ROI is dropping amongst the university student population, after the initial spike. It’s rising everywhere else.
It could be that infections are rising in other age groups now that university students have come into contact and infected others.

GabriellaMontez · 21/10/2020 09:08

@Flaxmeadow
What he's doing, it just seems a bit off to me. Well a lot off

He wants an 80 % furlough and a self employed scheme. He's been offered 67%.

What is it exactly, you find so 'off'?