Pm press conference at 5pm.

[DonLewis]

Will it be a circuit breaker announcement?

@slipperywhensparticus
Best comment I read today!

[quote Chestnutacorns123]@MJMG2015

The problem is what is the definition of Tier 3? Where I live 216 per 100000 cases, Tier 3. Nearby Leeds over 356 per 100000 Tier 2. What help are Tier 3 getting etc? When will we be able to come out of tier 3? Etc etc etc[/quote]
This was explained the other day, unfortunately I can't remember all the details.

But it's not just xx/100,000, it includes the number of hospital admissions, number in ICU, how many beds are available and some other bits & pieces.

@cologne4711

And some counties in Wales are at 38 per 100,000 but in lockdown for two weeks

That is even more ridiculous than I thought. We have about 54 and are tier one in England. What is wrong with Mark Drakeford?

I can see why it 'seems' that way, but see my previous post. It's not all about xx/100,000

@unmarkedbythat

All this dithering for 10 days will have cost people their lives, we need to get this virus under control. Then again Boris should have shown some gumption and ordered this lockdown ages ago.

Johnson could have shown gumption by recognising that people not financially supported during a lockdown will suffer and probably break lockdown. People supporting the government's refusal to ensure that lockdown does not ruin people should be very ashamed of themselves indeed.

No One is saying that, no one at all.

What we? I? are/am saying is that the gobshite/media loving Andy Burnham is not going the right way about it, he's costing lives & demanding more that the other areas in T3.

@Aragog

Given a choice of job or granny's life I would pick granny every single time.

Unfortunately both my grandmothers died during the last lockdowns, isolated from being able to see their families. One grandmother caught Covid whilst in hospital, alone with visitors not allowed, though neither died of Covid in the end.

Unfortunately with these restrictions some people's grannies are dying alone from other illnesses, or of old age. They are spending their final days lonely and their loved ones are being restricted in how they can even grieve for them afterwards.

For some people it might be a choice of feeding their families or losing their homes. They can keep granny safe by not visiting her, if they working in higher risk areas, if they must.

But why not let granny have a choice too?

Both my grandmothers wanted to see family, not be locked away on their own for their final days,

I am so very sorry you lost both of your Grandmothers? Esoecialky so close together 🌷

I'm not sure what the solution is in carehomes & hospitals. I can see why & understand people who would rather take the risk of seeing their families & I can't imagine not being able to see a terminally ill relative. The difficulty though is the risk of the families & staff spreading it around to everyone else.

Sadly it will be too late for you & many others, but I hope the rapid testing is game changing for this sector in the near future.

@pennylane83

Ultimately they will get the equivalent of 90% of their pay. Is that really so bad?

So if your a couple that's a 20% hit to your monthly income which, when your already on a low income/minimum wage is a huge hit to take, especially when all your other outgoings will remain the same.....and in the run up to Christmas when you are already fretting about the additional expense. Meanwhile, everyone else gets to earn and spend as normal (or for as long as they stay out of tier 3 that is).

it is creating huge inequality between counties. Many of those business that will be forced to shut (having already spent their emergency keep afloat funds on installing screens etc to make them 'covid secure') wont re-open come Christmas.

So to answer your question, yes, it really is that bad.

If they are that low an income they'll be getting topped up by benefits anyway.

Depends very much on the circumstances. The thresholds for top up benefits for single people and couples without children are very low indeed.

"If a couple are both working for a business which closes then 20% + 20% equal 40%. Did you pass any maths exams at all?"
Bloody hell to this!
And a pp suggests Staffordshire is in GM, surely not, its in the west Midlands!

@Orangeblossom7777

If they are so concerned about the over 60s maybe they should support them to shield then and let the rest of us get on with it...

Even Boris understands why that just will not work. Maths/science...it's not too difficult to understand how that will completely destroy lives and the economy.

Tbf given Manchester has been under local restrictions longer than anywhere else than Leicester, i do think there is a fair case to say G Manchester should get more support than elsewhere without that being controversial.

However it does seem that people have very selective / short memories over this 'minor' point of how G Manchester has been in restrictions since July.

In fact the exact problem that Chris Green one of the Tory MPs for Bolton has about the whole thing and why he's onboard with Burnham to a greater or lesser degree is the fact that Bolton experienced the equivalent of T3 restrictions with pubs closed etc etc and this failed to shift numbers down and has devasted the area particularly hard - without extra funding now being proposed - and so they are really desperate there.

Do carry on with your argument over it being about Andys ego though. Its really reflective of the situation in G Manchester.

One more time for those at the back not listening

GREATER MANCHESTER HAS HAD RESTRICTIONS BEFORE EVERYWHERE ELSE

TORY MPS AND COUNCILS IN GREATER MANCHESTER FORMED AN ALLIANCE WITH BURNHAM FOR THIS REASON

Anyone ignoring this is missing a huge point either deliberately or monumentally ignorantly.

*Orangeblossom7777
If they are so concerned about the over 60s maybe they should support them to shield then and let the rest of us get on with it...

Even Boris understands why that just will not work. Maths/science...it's not too difficult to understand how that will completely destroy lives and the economy.*

This is what Andy Burnham was asking for

Before Leicester?

By a few days before the North East.

Apols that's not right. trying to work it out as to me it feels like we've been in restrictions for months

@Orangeblossom7777

Before Leicester?

See my message before my shouty one for the hard of thinking.

And no G Manchester was in local restrictions some time before the NE.

Yes agree. But let's try to keep this civil.

More than 4.5 million people in Greater Manchester, parts of West Yorkshire and East Lancashire were banned from meeting each other indoors on July 31 amid a surge in new virus cases.

Then in the middle of August additional measures in Oldham and parts of Pendle and Blackburn

Bolton followed.

Then they tried to make things more standardised cos no one could follow what they could do where.

Then they brought in the Tiers and these areas were all T2.

And now they are going into T3.

So yes, i think there is a pretty good case for greater manchester getting more than Liverpool and maybe parts of Lancashire.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument though.

@StealthPolarBear

Yes agree. But let's try to keep this civil.

You mean like the government?

I think perhaps that ship has sailed im afraid.

Now we just have anger.

Do you know what I can't disagree. I too am incredibly angry. No one expected perfection as this was unprecedented. But we can't forgive incompetence and bare - faced lying.

I’m in Wales, where I feel liKe the devolved government is trying its best to act in the people’s interests and act proactively instead of reactively. I am in shock at how poorly Boris has handled the rise in cases so far... is it really true that GM has only been awarded £22 million?

So yes, i think there is a pretty good case for greater manchester getting more than Liverpool and maybe parts of Lancashire

Why should GM get more money per capita than Liverpool or Lancashire or West/ South Yorkshire (about to go into tier 3)

Why?

@AlohaMolly

Wales can only act the way they are because they are not funding the measures they implement.

One more time for those at the back not listening

GREATER MANCHESTER HAS HAD RESTRICTIONS BEFORE EVERYWHERE ELSE

No it has not. GM went into local lockdowns at the same time as parts of Lancashire and West Yorkshire did

Because Liverpool only went into local restrictions in September.

And just so you can read this GREATER MANCHESTER HAD RESTRICTIONS IN JULY

Lancashire should also get more than Liverpool but perhaps less than G Manchester because it has been in and out of restrictions.

And depending on which part of West Yorkshire you are talking about the same logic applies.

God anyone would think this was a difficult concept to get, that Bolton had T3 restrictions previously and got utterly fucked by it and nowhere else (except Leicester of course) has had this level of disruption to business and normal life.

Honestly its pretty obvious that some people really do hate the north.