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Daily numbers, graphs, analysis thread 26

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2020 18:06

Welcome to thread 26 of the daily updates

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PrayingandHoping · 19/10/2020 11:13

[quote MRex]**@Piggywaspushed* / @PrayingandHoping* - our local GP gave the early slot booking to over-65s, so they prioritised them that way even though it's a different jab (and the 2/3yr old jab was delivered a few weeks late). They do a rush through the surgery one by one in Saturdays, so it's quite efficient. I've heard of lots waiting a week or two to get an appointment slot around here (even Boots) , but nobody who's been told there isn't enough vaccine. Is it the CCG postcode lottery again on whether they ordered extra this year?[/quote]
Well it has to be organised some way. Ours did sat am under 65s, over 65s had weekdays

Boots and tescos etc stopped private bookings at one point. Don't know what situation is now. It's def been a year where u had to be organised early!

Piggywaspushed · 19/10/2020 11:21

I am not sure it is postcode lottery in my case, so much as GP lottery. It is a big surgery in a growing village with lots of new build estates. It simply cannot cope. None of the pharmacies have under 65 stock either...

MRex · 19/10/2020 11:31

Data is from 1st October in the hospitals info, so a bit early for the rise in cases. It's notable to the Richmond upon Thames / Elmbridge discussion that there are only a handful of covid cases in hospital in SW London / Surrey hospitals. Whereas Kings, UCL, Havering and other parts of London who also see increased rates there are 30/ 40+ cases per hospital.

sirfredfredgeorge · 19/10/2020 11:49

It's notable to the Richmond upon Thames / Elmbridge discussion that there are only a handful of covid cases in hospital in SW London / Surrey hospitals

The SW London hospitals never filled up at the peak either though, it's not an area with many high risk people in it.

tootyfruitypickle · 19/10/2020 12:08

Both areas have a high number of elderly - especially Elmbridge. Both very wealthy though, and Elmbridge is Raab's constituency so would have always taken tier 2 - although it does have higher numbers than surrounding areas so makes sense to go to tier 2.

TheSunIsStillShining · 19/10/2020 12:11

Richmond has quite an elderly population and if I look around most ppl around where I live actually are pensioners

GetAMoveOnTroodon · 19/10/2020 12:13

The private hospitals aren’t operating normally either. Lots of them are now mainly doing NHS only work as covid green sites. But the measures needed to be covid green mean that a fewer number of cases are being done on every list. They also don’t generally have the critical care beds to do the bigger operations.

TheSunIsStillShining · 19/10/2020 12:14

@TheSunIsStillShining

Richmond has quite an elderly population and if I look around most ppl around where I live actually are pensioners
MRex · 19/10/2020 12:14

@sirfredfredgeorge - it's unfortunately not true that were no admissions back at the peak later in April. You can scroll back to 20th March where you'll see a LOT of admissions leading up to the peak. Are you looking at the correct hospitals? See Chelsea and Westminster Trust, St George's Uni, Kingston, Epsom & St Helier.

GetAMoveOnTroodon · 19/10/2020 12:26

Wales are having a circuit breaker for 2 weeks from Friday. Pubs, restaurants and non essential shops to close.

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2020 12:37

This seems to now be the government strategy. Apparently the writer is 'very well sourced'.

www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/10/the-new-testing-plan-that-johnson-believes-will-help-him-control-the-virus-and-win-back-the-support-of-conservatives-mps.html
The new testing plan that Johnson believes will help him control the virus – and win back the support of Conservative MPs

Not copying it all here but this is the key bit.

It starts off talking about what is uniting Labour and Tories who favour a Sweden style approach:

Namely, a loss of confidence in the central element of Boris Johnson’s strategy, and the strategic alternative to lockdowns and loosening: test and trace.

The scheme depends on finding within 48 hours 80 per cent of those who have been in contact with someone who a test has confirmed has Covid-19. And on those who are so traced then self-isolating for the required period.

ConservativeHome hasn’t yet found anyone with knowledge of the system who believes that this target will be hit, despite the localisation of tracing that the Government has recently agreed to.

However, Downing Street and senior Ministers believe that there is now a way out of the predicament that it currently finds itself in – one that will put Starmer back in his box, quell the calls for a national lockdown, relax the three-tiered restrictions plan and quieten those restive Tory backbenchers: a new testing programme entirely.

It is centred around two kinds of tests – in the jargon, LAMP tests and lateral-flow tests. The key to the latter is that they cut out the need for tracing, because of the scale at which they can be delivered.

If there are enough tests, after all, and they deliver results fast enough, then an elaborate tracing programme simply isn’t necessary. Crucially, the lateral-flow tests can deliver a result within 15 minutes or so. This programme is the Prime Minister’s “moonshot”.

Trials will be rolled out in some of the worst affected regions to universities, with students tested weekly; to care homes, with staff tested fortnightly, and schools, where pupils and staff will be tested in the event of an outbreak.

Meanwhile, the LAMP tests will be concentrated on testing asymptomatic NHS staff in seven urban areas. These require contact tracing. So the results will be collected by NHS Test and Trace, and then published as part of the daily case numbers.

Millions of these new tests – the lateral-flow ones are all done by means of swabs and don’t need to be sent off to laboratories – have already been bought. Similar ones are being used in America.

Government sources claim that present trials with students show that a higher proportion of the latter are prepared to self-isolate if tested directly, and told that they have the virus, than if contacted by a tracer, and told that they might do (which makes sense).

Unusually, the Prime Minister underplayed the chances of an immediate breakthrough last week, saying that “no country in the world is regularly testing millions of people”.

The Government will now need “to take the time to establish how to do this effectively and safely, and to build the logistics and distribution operation necessary for a large scale operation across the country”. That will involve a shake-up.

It goes on to talk about this shake up and the use of the private sector in this and sharing of data (with the private sector) which might set a few alarm bells ringing.

I'd also point out that this seems somewhat wildly ambitious and potentially unrealistic. Especially today with information about how there is a shortage of regents worldwide.

The trial of moonshot in Salford has more or less been abandoned and tests are being used to merely help local testing and the last report on this ive seen from last week was although the trial started in September, they were yet to crack 250 tests a day. They were hoping to get to 1000 a day soon. But if thats the sort of numbers they are at, how realistic is it to be scaling to the numbers proposed in the timeframe which is needed both for health and political reasons? It strikes me as not very realistic.

We also have the issue of rising costs of this. Mass testing isn't cheap. And what happens post 31st Dec? How much do we get from Europe and if we are having other logistical issues, its hard to see this not having a degree of knock on effects.

The other thing that strikes me about this, is if your scheme is this big and we are that far away from the goals needed to achieve it, how long do they think we will need such a huge system for? That sounds like long term planning, not planning for up to 6 months through the winter and into spring. That sounds like planning for at least the next 12 to 18 months. Especially the stuff about the sport, hospitality and entertainment sectors. It doesn't sound like a vaccine in the Spring is the being thought of as the start of the end by any means.

Its an interesting insight into what the government thinking and overall strategy now seems to be. And i do have some serious questions about how thats going to leave us in the next few months if this is where we are headed...

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2020 12:42

Also, is this all not an admission of the complete failure of track and trace to deliver as promised?

Ontopofthesunset · 19/10/2020 12:44

Richmond as a borough isn't particularly elderly, is it? I guess it depends where you live but we are surrounded by youngish families. In any case Richmond has the longest healthy life expectancy in the country and very low levels of obesity compared to national levels so is in general a 'healthy' population. Also lots of outside space, parks, commons, rivers so opportunities for outside socialising and Vitamin D! And don't forget up to 25% of the cases in late Sep/early October may not actually be resident in Richmond currently. My neighbour's child is one of the errant postcodes - away at uni but registered with a Richmond GP.

sirfredfredgeorge · 19/10/2020 12:47

it's unfortunately not true that were no admissions back at the peak later in April

I didn't say no admissions, I said didn't fill up compared to other London hospitals.

And Richmond is not that old, relative low average age and percentage over 65 for an outer London borough, has far higher life expectancy, has far lower levels of deprivation, lower levels of diabetes:
londondatastore-upload.s3.amazonaws.com/instant-atlas/borough-profiles/atlas.html

All the risk factors are lower, so for the same level of cases, we would expect lower hospital admissions, ie the current low levels of admissions is not justification for the "wrong address" theory for the high level of cases - obviously the absence of admissions doesn't provide evidence to support the theory either of course.

MRex · 19/10/2020 13:01

Richmond as a borough is a little older than other parts of London, but it is not proportionally old in UK terms where the average is 18% over 65 based on 2016 stats. Here's an ONS map: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/july2017.

That said, there are a lot more VERY elderly people in Richmond, because as a wealthier borough people live longer: data.london.gov.uk/dataset/office-national-statistics-ons-population-estimates-borough. So a lower proportion of over-65s, and a higher proportion of even more vulnerable 90+. I don't know, everyone's correct, it's both vulnerable and not.

Anyway, my point is that it looks more likely that there are a lot of living-elsewhere uni cases if nobody in the borough is going to hospital with covid. When we know that they are going to hospital in other boroughs and more people did go to those hospitals back in March/ April.

MRex · 19/10/2020 13:06

@sirfredfredgeorge - West Middlesex University hospital was extremely full actually and had to send cases elsewhere. Here's an article from that time: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-inside-the-covid-19-wards-at-one-of-britains-worst-hit-hospitals-8zklb7p9b.
It comes under Chelsea and Westminster in hospital stats, and it's a key hospital for people who live in Richmond upon Thames borough.

cathyandclare · 19/10/2020 13:08

The other thing that strikes me about this, is if your scheme is this big and we are that far away from the goals needed to achieve it, how long do they think we will need such a huge system for? That sounds like long term planning, not planning for up to 6 months through the winter and into spring

With a vaccine needing > 50% efficacy for a licence and roll out in the vulnerable and high risk (initially at least) it's probably going to be a prolonged process. Realistically, protection will be through vaccination, rapid testing, and some degree of immunity in low risk groups like school children and students.

I would prioritise vaccination of teachers and uni staff as well as NHS and care workers, bus drivers etc- because it's unlikely that children and young adults will be vaccinated for some time. Even assuming a vaccine comes soon.

Sunshinegirl82 · 19/10/2020 13:15

It appears to me that the government wants to be able to be at as close to "normal" as possible by next spring, almost by hook or by crook. I'd imagine that the idea is that a vaccine roll out combined with mass testing for high risk environments (and perhaps in advance of large scale events?) might make that possible.

Whether the necessary steps can be taken to achieve it is another thing!

Augustbreeze · 19/10/2020 13:26

Wales still reopening all schools and childcare as normal after half term except for students above Yr8 (so 13/14 yr olds and older) unless doing resits.

Waveifyouknowme · 19/10/2020 13:32

Regards the weekly non invasive testing four senior schools have been invited to take part (interestingly one on the south coast where tier 1 is active and cases still low but growing)

Morfin · 19/10/2020 13:35

@Augustbreeze

Wales still reopening all schools and childcare as normal after half term except for students above Yr8 (so 13/14 yr olds and older) unless doing resits.
So shafting those taking exams next year.
MRex · 19/10/2020 13:35

@Augustbreeze - Wales still reopening all schools and childcare as normal after half term except for students above Yr8 (so 13/14 yr olds and older) unless doing resits.

That sounds very sensible.

MRex · 19/10/2020 13:47

So shafting those taking exams next year.
No, so taking those most likely to be infected and infectious out of school, while maintaining education for those who are least likely to be infected or infectious.

MarshaBradyo · 19/10/2020 14:01

I know it makes sense from age POV. But hard on everyone if your dc has mocks in a month or so. Stressful. I feel for people.

What’s the main differences for Wales and tier 3?
Older schools
More shops shut
Stay at home strong message

How about mixing, and funding?

alreadytaken · 19/10/2020 14:15

@BigChocFrenzy this gym is declaring itself a church of the healthy body www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/polish-gym-dubs-itself-a-church-to-bypass-coronavirus-rules

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