I'm calling it - people aren't complying.

[TheFormattingIsWrong]

Local lockdowns aren't working. The North has proven that. Why would it be different in London or anywhere else for that matter? People have stopped complying. They did it in March when it was implied by Bojo that it was going to be a 3 month thing, but as it has become abundantly clear that that this is going to be a way of living until there is a vaccine, and there is no guarantee on a vaccine, people have just said sod it then, I'm not living that way.

I won't be complying. I'll be continuing to see my mum and my sisters. I'd obey it to the letter if it was a 2 week circuit breaker, but as it's clear we're going to have to live this way until at least next Spring, no, I won't be complying.

And for those who say "oh well that's why cases are going up" - until this government kicks itself up the arse and gets a functioning test and trace system in place, they always would anyway. Either it's lockdown or it's cases rising. And most of us aren't prepared to live without seeing family or friends (yes, indoors!) until Spring.

@Autumngoldleaf yes I realise that, I was just trying to keep it as simply put as possible. I think everyone recognises that schools having large bubbles is an issue, I just differ with some people on this thread in That I think this should encourage people to decrease the risk in other areas of their lives to reduce the spread, rather than act as an encouragement to meet more people “because it doesn’t matter as schools are in large bubbles anyway”.

Grow up, for goodness sake, and at least be honest with yourself. You are part of the problem and all the self righteous bullshit you spout pretending otherwise won't change that. It's this sort of posturing that really annoys me. You won't comply, you increase risks to everyone else. If the government are doing a poor job of managing this that is even more reason for people to act to reduce the spread- not to indulge in this frankly pathetic performance, trying to pretend that their selfishness is something to applaud. It is people like you I am going to blame for the upcoming lockdowns lasting longer than any of us is happy with- selfish, ignorant, egotistical idiots.

Are you in London, op? Will you be subject to tier 2 restrictions?

But I will still see small groups of family

Like I said, makes a mockery of the sacrifices I and my grieving family have made..

It is people like you I am going to blame for the upcoming lockdowns lasting longer than any of us is happy with- selfish, ignorant, egotistical idiots.

That's fine, you go ahead and blame me if it makes you feel better but do you honestly think the government bears no responsibility here? Why do you think south east Asia has its cases under control?

Are you in London, op? Will you be subject to tier 2 restrictions?

Yep, but I expect it'll be most of the country before long.

I totally agree OP. If the message was "We need two weeks to get T&T working properly ~because the previous six months don't count for shit~" I'd comply. Instead it's this woolly unsubstantiated endless thing, when the same thing elsewhere hasn't reduced the rate of infection.

Like I said, makes a mockery of the sacrifices I and my grieving family have made.

I'm very sorry for your loss, but that was your choice, and it wouldn't be mine.

@TheFormattingIsWrong

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't invite thirty people round for a party. But I will still see small groups of family.

Likewise. I'm going to cancel a soirée I had planned (around 9 people) but will still see close friends and family individually / small groups.

I was just wondering why you were penning your Braveheart speech today, that's all.

We need two weeks to get T&T working properly ~because the previous six months don't count for shit~" I'd comply.

Agree 100% and so would I.

@Bluesheep8

But I will still see small groups of family

Like I said, makes a mockery of the sacrifices I and my grieving family have made..

Well my grieving family needed eachother so we saw eachother. Don't preach about how people should react to loss. My dad was devatsted after finding his mam no longer alive and Im not about to let him go through grief alone! You're not morally superior.

*The thing is that yes, if I passed covid onto my father (or whoever) and he died, yes I would feel bad.

But I would also feel bad if I'd passed flu, norovirus or chickenpox (he hasn't had it) on to him and he'd died.

Someone please tell me what the difference is, on a personal level*

Likelihood.

Back in March people were scared of this new unknown illness but now it’s been around a while, it’s not as deadly as initially thought,

Actually it is, it hasn't changed.

The lockdown in March was to prevent services being overwhelmed for everyone, not just covid patients. That is the reason we locked down.

many people are asymptomatic despite testing positive

And? You do realise that the fact that many people are asymptomatic is why it is so dangerous? That they spread the virus without knowing they have it, or before they have any symptoms if they do get symptoms

@Bluesheep8 I'm sorry to hear you are grieving. Your decision to make sacrifices, however, has been your decision. For some of us, making different choices is right for us and our families.

The likelihood seems no different to me. I've had norovirus every winter. Haven't had covid yet.

I won't be complying either. Frankly I have one vulnerable person in my family. They are so elderly that they likely won't be alive in 12 months time. I know they'd rather spend time with their huge loving family and grandchildren and great grandchildren rather than wait until we are all vaccinated which won't happen before they die anyway.

Frankly my personal likelihood of catching covid given I don't go to shops, don't have a child in school and work from home and only see others in the same boat is pretty much nil.

I'm very sorry for your loss, but that was your choice, and it wouldn't be mine.

Thank you. But it's a case of obeying the law rather than making a choice.

@roarfeckingroarr

I'm in London.

I don't know a single person who will comply with the no mixing of households rule.

Same here

We need two weeks to get T&T working properly ~because the previous six months don't count for shit~" I'd comply.

Me too. On the condition that it is brought back under public sector control, preferably managed on a local basis. As long as Dido Harding remains in post we know it will be absolutely useless.

@Bluesheep8

My area has been in local lockdown for months. I've complied with the rules and I haven't been in another house. I lost a family member recently and still didn't go into another house, even to help plan the funeral or to comfort relatives and receive comfort myself whilst we are all grieving. People in newly locked down areas declaring that they are not going to comply make an absolute mockery of the sacrifices I and many others have made.

Me too @Bluesheep8 it pisses me off, all these 'I will not be complying, I accept the consequences' responses.

They're forcing the consequences on all of us. The less people who comply with the rules, the more transmission, the harsher the restrictions, the longer they'll last, the bigger the economic, health and educational impact.

They're not merely accepting the risk of themselves and their families getting coronavirus, they're assuming the right to accept that risk for me, to accept the risk of my family losing their jobs, losing their income, losing their homes.

I'm in Leicester, we were in national lockdown till 25th June, then went back into Local Lockdown on 30th June, then downgraded to additional restrictions 1st week of August and have been in additional restrictions ever since. Our cases are higher now then they were when we went into local lockdown because people are not complying with the socialisation rules. At this rate we'll be on additional restrictions till the very end of this thing. And all because some people think they are above the rules and shouldn't have to sacrifice anything for anyone else.

Frankly my personal likelihood of catching covid given I don't go to shops, don't have a child in school and work from home and only see others in the same boat is pretty much nil.

But your chances of passing it on are not nil.

Why do you think south east Asia has its cases under control?

Having lived in both south east and east Asia for many years, I believe that one of the reasons why cases are under control in some countries is that their populations are naturally much more compliant. One of the problems that we have here is that so many people think they know better than the experts.

Don't get me wrong, I think the British government has done a shit job from start to finish. However, I think the selfish behaviour of many British people has been another contributing factor to our very high death rate.

We're sort of complying by accident, as we have the childcare bubble with my parents. But if we didn't, we wouldn't be complying. There has to be another way than this.