I'm calling it - people aren't complying.

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Local lockdowns aren't working. The North has proven that. Why would it be different in London or anywhere else for that matter? People have stopped complying. They did it in March when it was implied by Bojo that it was going to be a 3 month thing, but as it has become abundantly clear that that this is going to be a way of living until there is a vaccine, and there is no guarantee on a vaccine, people have just said sod it then, I'm not living that way.

I won't be complying. I'll be continuing to see my mum and my sisters. I'd obey it to the letter if it was a 2 week circuit breaker, but as it's clear we're going to have to live this way until at least next Spring, no, I won't be complying.

And for those who say "oh well that's why cases are going up" - until this government kicks itself up the arse and gets a functioning test and trace system in place, they always would anyway. Either it's lockdown or it's cases rising. And most of us aren't prepared to live without seeing family or friends (yes, indoors!) until Spring.

@PhilCornwall1

I want nothing to do with the NHS. Over the last month, they have treated me like shit, so I'd happily not take anything from them

So, if you contract the virus, or break your arm, and need hospital treatment, you'll refuse it?

@Eckhart I assume they must have private healthcare.

Some of this thinking is so illogical.

You're not complying because lockdowns 'don't work'? If course they don't bloody work if people don't comply. People like you are literally the reason they don't work. A lockdown is only as effective as the people that comply with it.

To those saying 'well I'm going to see my family because I'm mixing at work/my kids are mixing at school'. The whole point of restrictions on mixing outside of work/school is because you're already mixing there. It's about minimising non-essential contacts so that essential places (essential to healthcare, education, the economy) can stay open.

The thing is that is we have no restrictions at all then cases will become completely unmanageable.

Yes schools, unis and workplaces are where the most spread is but that's where the government have decided to prioritise because it's what keeps the country going.

The local lockdowns aren't getting the numbers down to zero but they are slowing those numbers going up. If those numbers keep rising then we'll have to shut schools.

I personally don't care about schools, I don't have kids and my education days are behind me. However I am capable of seeing that society is about more than me.

I'm in local lockdown and able to see people outside for a walk which is a fair compromise. It's not ideal but people saying 'well schools are open so I should be able to do what I like' aren't getting the concept of risk budgeting.
We won't be able to stop the virus but we don't want it rampaging through everywhere.

It’s difficult to rally behind complying when the gov have so spectacularly messed up.

Sending students back to uni has rocketed our ‘low cases’ city into tier 2 semi lockdown and they 100% knew this would happen. There was no point in bringing 75% of them back as within weeks of them paying their landlords and moving into accom, the courses were moved online.

So now our reasonably low risk area is full of absolutely livid teenagers living away from home for the first time, aware that the Tory gov has screwed them over to help out landlords, being told they should lock themselves in their hovels for ‘the greater good’.

I’m not surprised they are breaking the rules in mass. Had the gov kept them with their families and saved them thousands on rent our city really would not have the problems it does now!

@TheFormattingIsWrong

you just know they’d be first in line, pushing and shoving, for hospital treatment should they get sick with covid

I'd happily sign a disclaimer to waiver that actually. Show me where I sign up.

Will you also sign that you won't use health care for other medical needs? Because by not complying you are part of the problem of the rise in Covid cases that take up those extra beds. So also sign away any right to things like appendectomy, maternity care or cancer operations. Thank you.

[quote lurker101]@SamsMumsCateracts I’m sorry you’re having to cope with this. It’s such a sad situation. I have been so enlightened this year with the attitudes of people in the U.K. so called Blitz spirit, if that was now people would be refusing to put up blackout curtains because they like to watch the sunrise without getting out of bed![/quote]
People did complain about blackout curtains and refuse to comply with the authorities back then.

*Some of this thinking is so illogical.

You're not complying because lockdowns 'don't work'? If course they don't bloody work if people don't comply. People like you are literally the reason they don't work. A lockdown is only as effective as the people that comply with it.*

Totally agree

Snap OP ... I too won't be complying

What do you mean ‘actually it is’? The NHS wasn’t overwhelmed,

The NHS wasn't overwhelmed precisely because we locked down

What do you think would have happened if we hadnt locked down in March? The covid deniers/anti lockdown people never seems to answer this question

there wasn’t the levels of mortality suggested therefore it’s not as deadly as we were initially led to believe.

Because we locked down

The fact that so many people contract the virus without becoming unwell shows this

Lockdown was to prevent services being overwhelmed by the ones who would have become unwell in a short space of time and that includes people who staff the services.

Without lockdown. A quarter of a million people would have died in the UK and many more been seriously ill and this would have in a short space time. The virus would have spread extremely rapidly. There are 66 million people in this country. Many of them elderly or vulnerble. Do the numbers

We shouldn’t blame each other, we should put the blame on the culprits, namely Boris Johnson et al.
They have been incompetent and the lack of clarity is astounding. The failure to sort out an effective track and trace system is the crux of the problem
I will comply, but I fully understand those who will not

Everyone I see is prepared to accept the potential consequences, so yes, thanks.

Oh, excellent.

So if your child develops sepsis and will die without treatment, you’ll be happy that there are no doctors/nurses/hospital beds available for them? Same goes for any car accidents/cancer related treatments/meningitis etc.

Hang on, there is a little problem though isn’t there?

See, I very much give a fuck that my dc might die of a serious but treatable illness if the hospitals collapse. I also give a fuck that no one else who is following the rules would be able to get treatment either.

Can all fuckwits like you please tattoo a giant cock on your/your dcs/your families foreheads, so the NHS can keep you out of hospital when things get rough?

@sausagerole

I don't think people understand minimising. Basically 'We haven't got rid of the virus yet, so lockdowns don't work.'

I wonder where we'd be if there'd been no lockdowns. That's the only way we could make a valid comparison. Until then, we all need to do all we can do, rather than this childish 'Fuck it, it's not working, I'm not doing it' attitude.

I have to kind of agree with you OP even though I don’t wish to wantonly and actively seek to “break” rules (not that I think you are as such).

For me I’m worn out, fed up and absolutely up to my limit with the “think of others”, “collective responsibility”, “don’t kill granny” messages that are pedalled night and day via the media, shops and just about anywhere really.

It makes me want to rip my fucking mask off in a shopping centre and stamp on it because I’m just so over the whole fucking thing and done caring about your nans.

I don't understand how I can go swimming, visit zoos, parks, restaurants but can't have a meal in my house with my parents and in laws.

Zoos and parks you're outside

Swimming and restaurants have put in social distancing and have someone in charge (or should do) making sure people follow the rules.

In people's living rooms it's much much harder to follow social distancing and put a glass of wine into the mix and everyone's hugging and squeezing together on the sofa and no one will be wearing masks.

Ok some people may be socially distancing at home but it's much harder when you're with people you love to keep a distance. And that one hug with your mam, then a hug with your Aunty, then your aunty hugs her sister in law and eventually everyone's bubbles mixing.
You might say 'but I've only got a small family' but it's your family multiplied.

[quote Eckhart]@PhilCornwall1

I want nothing to do with the NHS. Over the last month, they have treated me like shit, so I'd happily not take anything from them

So, if you contract the virus, or break your arm, and need hospital treatment, you'll refuse it?[/quote]
Yes. I want nothing more from the NHS. They have treated me like shit.

Personally, we know only 1 person who’s died from Covid. He contracted it from his adult son and wife both of whom had it. He was elderly.

We also know another elderly man who had it but survived.

And there’s currently one positive case at my child’s school , and both my children are sharing the same (bubble) building with that infected person’s year group (they’re home isolating now and building would likely have been deep cleaned). School didn’t send anyone else home to isolate.

My neighbour is a primary teacher and has recently isolated due to her TA contracting positive.

So I don’t know many, and only 1 who’s died, but that’s enough to make me keep practicing safe hygiene mask and hand wash and limit contact etc. I live in a town with 72 Covid deaths since April. Population around 80,000.

I’ll continue complying, otherwise it will take much longer to go away

@Pumpertrumper

It’s difficult to rally behind complying when the gov have so spectacularly messed up.

Sending students back to uni has rocketed our ‘low cases’ city into tier 2 semi lockdown and they 100% knew this would happen. There was no point in bringing 75% of them back as within weeks of them paying their landlords and moving into accom, the courses were moved online.

So now our reasonably low risk area is full of absolutely livid teenagers living away from home for the first time, aware that the Tory gov has screwed them over to help out landlords, being told they should lock themselves in their hovels for ‘the greater good’.

I’m not surprised they are breaking the rules in mass. Had the gov kept them with their families and saved them thousands on rent our city really would not have the problems it does now!

Fully agree. Unis have acted disgracefully - just money grabbing and sod the consequences. My son was repeatedly lied to about the amount of "face to face" teaching he'd get. In reality, he's had zilch, nada, as the teaching staff aren't on site. He's had only one F2F session which was some kind of tutorial with a PHD student, not even a lecturer, and that's been it - it was a one off - nothing scheduled on his timetable for anything else. The Uni changed it's timetable as soon as the students signed their agreements for the campus accommodation. There's no way he'd have gone to live on campus had he known that there'd be absolutely no teaching in person. The students are angry and the Uni/Govt will get their come-uppance. My son has already decided he won't be attending Uni for the final 2 years of his course and he'll live at home and do it via remote learning - so the Uni will lose his rental income for the next 2 years (It's a campus and he had intended to live on campus for all 3 years).

@PhilCornwall1

How would you get your broken arm etc fixed, then? What would you do if you slipped off the curb this afternoon and broke a bone?

@PhilSwagielka 😂 Thankfully my ancestors and their neighbours complied. I know what side of history I want to be on

@areyoubeingserviced

We shouldn’t blame each other, we should put the blame on the culprits, namely Boris Johnson et al. They have been incompetent and the lack of clarity is astounding. The failure to sort out an effective track and trace system is the crux of the problem I will comply, but I fully understand those who will not

Track and trace isn't working because huge numbers of people gave false details or simply won't answer their phone! If people won't comply, it really doesn't matter how much resources you throw at it.

People have stopped complying.
Not true of everyone.
We've gone backwards (ie into tier 2 and so no longer able to meet up indoors.
I've just met my mum outside for a cup of tea at the local cafe (they've got a lovely outside area.)
Yes, it's hard, but I'm doing it.
Blanket doom and gloom statements like this post and others gleefully stating they're not complying, or that they've had enough (haven't we all?!) so aren't going to is just going to make people think fuck it then, why should I?!
Not sure what your post is trying to achieve, tbh!

[quote lurker101]@PhilSwagielka 😂 Thankfully my ancestors and their neighbours complied. I know what side of history I want to be on[/quote]
I hope mine did.

My point is that there are always going to be people who bitch and moan and refuse to follow guidelines because it inconveniences them.

I don't understand how I can go swimming, visit zoos, parks, restaurants but can't have a meal in my house with my parents and in laws.

How many jobs does you having a meal at home with your parents support?

Currently on tube. Everyone wearing masks, everyone distancing

It's very empty