Are we sacrificing the young to save the elderly?

[RubyandBen]

Reading another thread where someone was accusing the OP of wanting to sacrifice the elderly re CV. But the longer this goes on the more education and the economy are screwed is it actually the other way round?

Belladonna12 you are pretending opinion is facts. Have you a link to studies about recovery times for those who were in ICU because of Covid-19?

No one is, or should be, trivialising Covid. But you need to keep it in perspective.

@GnomeDePlume

Does it really matter if it is called long covid, post viral syndrome or Great Aunt Mary? This virus is showing a propensity to continue to make people feel very unwell for extended periods of time. Even if the original virus was mild (ie additional oxygen wasn't required)

It's basically Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, which is often precipitated by a viral illness. Maybe that condition will finally be taken seriously because of this...

@Belladonna12

Many people of working age will become severely ill and die
That’s just nonsense I’m afraid. There have only been 307 deaths without underlying conditions under 60.

@Devlesko

Rainbow.

Well, we'll just have to beg to differ. I don't care what you do.
There are those who will step up and educate their children and those that won't.

There are those who are privileged enough to be able to educate their children without losing their jobs or sanity, and are well educated enough to make a good job of it, and those that aren't.

Fixed that for you.

That’s just nonsense I’m afraid. There have only been 307 deaths without underlying conditions under 60
That makes me so fucking angry. So many have underlying conditions which won't kill them but COVID on top might.

Also this. Long COVID 4 different syndromes.

“There are those who will step up and educate their children and those that won't.”

And there are those that would love to, but would be busy still working in hospitals etc.....why should our kids lose out?

@Northernsoulgirl45

That’s just nonsense I’m afraid. There have only been 307 deaths without underlying conditions under 60 That makes me so fucking angry. So many have underlying conditions which won't kill them but COVID on top might.

Yes, and they don’t specify the actual conditions, which could be mild asthma, slightly raised blood pressure etc.

It’s like they think it’s ok for these people to die....

Absolutely @Watermelon999

@Zxyzoey31

Belladonna12 you are pretending opinion is facts. Have you a link to studies about recovery times for those who were in ICU because of Covid-19?

How could they do a study showing the recovery time of everyone who has been in ICU with Covid if many of those people still haven't totally recovered? Do you seriously think they are back to normal after four weeks ?Perhaps this will make it clearer to you www.yourcovidrecovery.nhs.uk/what-is-covid-19/after-a-stay-on-icu/#:~:text=It%20is%20important%20to%20be,return%20to%20your%20daily%20activities.

[quote Ecosse]@Belladonna12

Many people of working age will become severely ill and die
That’s just nonsense I’m afraid. There have only been 307 deaths without underlying conditions under 60.[/quote]
Why are you only counting those without underlying conditions. Believe it or not people with underlying conditions may also be of working age

It's basically Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
No it's not. CFS is one of several different issues that can develop.

Long Covid is linked to heart, lung, and kidney damage, blood clotting problems, and possible type 1 diabetes.

That's just what's known at this early stage. Who knows what else might be discovered in years to come (potential hidden damage).

Here's a recent article on the heart damage. Note it says
Cardiologists are finding that problems aren’t related to age or severity of infection

amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/04/long-covid-the-evidence-of-lingering-heart-damage

I heard on R4 today (I’ll try to find a link) that 70,000 college students have tested positive in the US .
However the good news is that only 300 (ish - sorry I can’t recall the exact number but it was definitely in the three hundreds) were hospitalised. And I think they said 3 have died.

That’s quite a sample of 17-24 year olds. I mean I guess there will be some mature students but predominantly that age group.

Sorry I got that wrong DH tells me. 3 were hospitalised and none died.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8839587/Long-Covid-actually-four-different-syndromes-scientists-admit-dont-know.html
Absolutely @SheepandCow

It's basically Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

You should publish your research in the BMJ, because that's not what others researchers have found.

I have long COVID. Havent been fatigued in 4 months.havent been short of breath for 3. I'm one of the group that gets rotating neurological symptoms.

Belladonna12 you are making my point for me. You don't know so you are just stating your opinion.

@Zxyzoey31

Belladonna12 you are making my point for me. You don't know so you are just stating your opinion.

I'm not sure how you think that demonstrates I don't know that people who spend time in intensive care with Covid are not back to normal in four weeks. I know from personal experience as a healthcare professional .I thought if you read the link you might get it but obviously you're not going to.

@HelloMissus

I heard on R4 today (I’ll try to find a link) that 70,000 college students have tested positive in the US . However the good news is that only 300 (ish - sorry I can’t recall the exact number but it was definitely in the three hundreds) were hospitalised. And I think they said 3 have died.

That’s quite a sample of 17-24 year olds. I mean I guess there will be some mature students but predominantly that age group.

there are 20 million college students in the US

Alec oh sure. I wasn’t trying to say it was a large proportion of all US students but still a decent sample size, no?

So if you take a reasonably large amount of young people (some of who will be bound to be obese, asthmatic etc) and say that none of them died and only 3 were hospitalised, then those people who still insist that this virus poses a serious threat to this age group must not be actually looking at the data but have another agenda.

@HelloMissus

Alec oh sure. I wasn’t trying to say it was a large proportion of all US students but still a decent sample size, no?

So if you take a reasonably large amount of young people (some of who will be bound to be obese, asthmatic etc) and say that none of them died and only 3 were hospitalised, then those people who still insist that this virus poses a serious threat to this age group must not be actually looking at the data but have another agenda.

Has anyone said that the virus itself will directly kill very young adults? It will directly kill them but that doesn't mean it won't affect them. If the virus trips through the population they will get NHS treatment for anything else. They may also lose parents and other people close to them which will have a huge impact on most of them.

It will directly kill them it won't directly kill

Bella I think some are saying that yes.
You’ll get people saying ‘lots of young people are hospitalised’ ‘lots of young people have died’ when it’s just not true.
It serves a certain agenda (although it doesn’t really because young people ain’t buying it).

And yes if the NHS is overwhelmed then that will affect young people, although proportionately much less than any other age group.

In terms of direct and indirect health issues from Covid, their risk is the smallest.

However their risk of other things is the greatest eg disruption of education, loss of employment prospects.

Obviously this isn’t an easy circle to square, different priorities etc but pretending that the situation for young people is the same as other groups is a fools logic I think.

@HelloMissus

Bella I think some are saying that yes. You’ll get people saying ‘lots of young people are hospitalised’ ‘lots of young people have died’ when it’s just not true. It serves a certain agenda (although it doesn’t really because young people ain’t buying it).

And yes if the NHS is overwhelmed then that will affect young people, although proportionately much less than any other age group.

In terms of direct and indirect health issues from Covid, their risk is the smallest.

However their risk of other things is the greatest eg disruption of education, loss of employment prospects.

Obviously this isn’t an easy circle to square, different priorities etc but pretending that the situation for young people is the same as other groups is a fools logic I think.

It depends on what you call young though doesn't it? If it's under 22, as most students are then they won't be at much direct risk. Most will have parents over 50 though and some of those will have underlying conditions which will put them at risk of Covid and in need of other NHS treatment. Most students probably don't want their parents to die or be very ill and it will affect them if they are emotionally and probably financially. My DD is a student as are her friends and they are certainly not just worried about their education at the moment.