Are we sacrificing the young to save the elderly?

[RubyandBen]

Reading another thread where someone was accusing the OP of wanting to sacrifice the elderly re CV. But the longer this goes on the more education and the economy are screwed is it actually the other way round?

@Devlesko

Eh? Why do we have teachers if buildings are providing education, some weird folk about today. Education is important, a building isn't. School really isn't important.

How do kids do A level or higher art, technical, science etc without the school facilities?

My nephew is doing higher design and manufacture, how can that be done from home?

Also kids are not adults. They need to be with their peer group. A lot of learning is also done in groups.

@Devlesko - school isn’t really important! What rubbish. It’s incredibly important, that’s why such efforts are being made by teachers to keep schools open to give the current generation of school children a chance at to learn, integrate with their peers and have as near normal as life as possible at the moment. A good education was in my top five wants and needs for my DC’s.

Well, if scientists are correct and we have many more years of virus to come kids will suffer if we don't change the way we educate children.
Why did teachers bother to do online work then, the kids were obviously not learning anything as they didn't attend a building

You can argue that the standard of education wasn't consistent throughout the country or even counties but that has nothing to do with a building, more to do with systems and individual heads and teachers.
Parents will be required to do their bit and their duty of educating their kids according to the law.
If schools are closed like they should be if cases are really high, what are you going to do, leave your kids without an education, I know I couldn't do that.

My son relies on the routinr, guidance and structure that school gives because he is asd, super bright but cannot cope with home learning. He has suffered terribly during the first lockdown and his emotional state is so improved now he is back in school. People who are saying the building is important is nonsense, a school is more than just the building it is a support network

Oh don’t mind Devlesko she’s been beating this ridiculous drum for ages now.

And any parents who can’t ‘step up’ and teach their child A levels must just be lazy fucks, right?

vickibee

My dd too, but you just have to make the best of it.
I think them being sent home often will damage their education far more than closing schools.

Yeah you're right because being in a room with a trained teacher isn't valuable at all. Being home schooled by a parent who might also have to work/look after other children/not be well educated themselves is an excellent substitute. That's not to mention the value of social interaction with other children, the security of routines, a safe place for vulnerable children and finding their independence away from their family and home.

@Devlesko I've not heard of any scientists who think the way things are now will last "many more years".

A child's education is much more than the teaching he/she receives.

It's also about learning how to interact with others and developing relationships. Even with those who Home school there is an emphasis on meeting other DCs and doing things together.

If schools close again of course I'll do my damn duty and ensure DS does as much learning as the school chooses to provide and I can get him to do in between my full on wfh job. He's in first year of Nat 5 studies so I absolutely won't have him falling down the cracks.

But as a 14 year old it's sheer fallacy to think you can take teens out of school plonk them in front of a computer for months on end and job done even if the learning provision was world class. He needs his peers to develop into a properly functioning adult. Just because young people are used to communicating online it's no substitute for navigating face to face relationships.

Porcupine

I can't provide the source, I read it on a thread on here the other day. Not the same virus but future virus.

TheKeatingFive

So you intend to break the law and not provide your child with an education if schools close.
It's your responsibility by law, check it out before you accuse others of being ridiculous, shame on you.

rookiemere

I totally agree with you and it's nice to hear a parent say they'll do their best instead of just complaining schools may close.

My own is doing A levels and will suffer too if schools close, but if/when they do, like you and others suggest you get on with it as not much choice.

And it's about keeping the economy running, because if people are too scared to leave home, the economy is fucked.

I don't know anyone who's afraid to leave home. On the contrary, I know loads who are desperate to get out and spend money, to go shopping, to travel, to go to restaurants etc etc.

The economy needs businesses to stay open and customers allowed to go out.

Your argument is wrong.

If schools close I will be off work with stress, I am not going through the mental toll of being expected to home educate my DS (6) plus carry out all my work duties which doubled during lockdown because of the job I'm in. I was regularly working full time+ (but paid part-time) and trying to squeeze in home school too. And yes my DH did his share but he was under enormous work pressure too. Piss was well and truly taken out of working parents last time.

School really isn't important.

Are you kidding?

If schools close again and parents have to work from home, there will be many children getting no education as the earlier lockdown has shown that you can’t work from home and provide schooling.

@Devlesko

vickibee

My dd too, but you just have to make the best of it.
I think them being sent home often will damage their education far more than closing schools.

Me too. Far better for them to have consistent home learning with subjects that really can’t be on a practical level in only for those periods. That way, less transmission, less isolating and less children and parents worried about catching it.

Schools are ready to go online as it was DFE compliance from 22/10 so the systems are ready to go.

@Devlesko

Porcupine

I can't provide the source, I read it on a thread on here the other day. Not the same virus but future virus.

TheKeatingFive

So you intend to break the law and not provide your child with an education if schools close.
It's your responsibility by law, check it out before you accuse others of being ridiculous, shame on you.

@Devlesko I'd love you to be able to tell me how I'm supposed to provide my 8 yr old and 6yr old with an education, as a single parent who works full time. Their dad has only been having them once a month in lockdown, for a weekend at a time.

Please tell me how I'm supposed to do it? I thought I was providing them with an education, as the law states I am legally obliged to do so (and obviously want to do so) by sending them to school. What do I do if the schools close?

It's your responsibility by law, check it out before you accuse others of being ridiculous, shame on you.

And I am delivering that responsibility by enrolling them in school.

It is not my responsibility to gen up on A level physics and teach that on top of my full time job.

Honestly, you are such a class A troll sometimes I have to hand it to you

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What do I do if the schools close?

In fairness, schools would now be legally obliged to deliver the curriculum remotely in that situation.

Not sure what devlesko can do with that

Remote schooling isn’t much help to working parents whose DC’s are too young to leave at home along or don’t work well without regular supervision.

Parker

That's their problem to sort out, not a problem for those with a parent or both parents working pt to support their childs learning.
It's a choice for parents to make.
Maybe work fewer hours and cut cloth accordingly, school isn't childcare.
parents need to be parenting or if they can't maybe find a service that can like SS, maybe they can stand in for parents who want to work.

How are you being responsible if schools close. Will you just take them, leave them on the doorstep, having done your job.
It's your job not a closed schools, the entitlement is astounding.

Yes parents, you hear that.

If you can’t teach your children full time on top of your full time job, hand your children over to SS.

Jesus Christ Devlesko do you ever actually listen to your ridiculous self?

Unfortunately many parents don’t have an option of working part time hours. The schools not being childcare is a ridiculous statement. No one believes that but historically schools are open certain hours of the working day.

Luckily huge efforts are being made to keep schools open.

the entitlement is astounding

The entitlement to work/pay taxes/have our children educated so they too can work and contribute to society you mean?

I know right? What utter spoilt bastards we all are.

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