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Are we sacrificing the young to save the elderly?

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RubyandBen · 15/10/2020 08:32

Reading another thread where someone was accusing the OP of wanting to sacrifice the elderly re CV. But the longer this goes on the more education and the economy are screwed is it actually the other way round?

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RainbowParadise · 22/10/2020 19:37

And I've re-read that- hahaha @ you suggesting that none of your teacher training taught anything about home educating your own child. How the fuck do you expect the rest of us to do it then. And sociology, that's actually scary that someone who taught that subject comes out with the stuff you do.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 23/10/2020 12:33

Interesting article on Long COVID. 10% of 18 to 49 year olds with non hospitalised cases suffer for 4 weeks or more.
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-long-covid-warning-as-study-finds-one-in-20-have-virus-symptoms-for-eight-weeks-or-more-12109990

MereDintofPandiculation · 23/10/2020 16:48

Sorry where am i likely to get a pigs heart to dissect at home? Your local butcher. As generations of OU students know.

Devlesko · 23/10/2020 18:14

Rainbow.

Well, we'll just have to beg to differ. I don't care what you do.
There are those who will step up and educate their children and those that won't.

sunflowers246 · 23/10/2020 18:14

Sorry where am i likely to get a pigs heart to dissect at home?

Who on earth has the space, time and instruments to get and disect a pigs heart?! And how would you be able to teach GSCE or A level biology at home GrinHmm

Devlesko · 23/10/2020 18:15

Oh, and what makes you think others who are prepared to step up haven't gone through hell too. We all have, our kids mostly and their education is suffering.

Porcupineinwaiting · 23/10/2020 18:21

Who has the time, space, and instruments to get and dissect a pig's heart at home

I did this with mine in primary. Is that not how other families have fun? (I'm a zoologist).

In Denmark they do public dissection of zoo animals when they die. I'd really like to get inside a giraffe but not, tbf, on the kitchen table.

Sheogorath · 23/10/2020 19:32

@Devlesko

Rainbow.

Well, we'll just have to beg to differ. I don't care what you do.
There are those who will step up and educate their children and those that won't.

And those who can't because they're working to put food on the table, greedy consumerist sheeple that they are.
RainbowParadise · 23/10/2020 19:54

@Devlesko

Oh, and what makes you think others who are prepared to step up haven't gone through hell too. We all have, our kids mostly and their education is suffering.
Hahaha we've all gone through hell have we?

Yeah I really beg to differ on that one- we are not 'all in this together' when it comes to this pandemic, or many of the things that we are supposed to be 'in it together' on.

For a qualified teacher, you have very little to offer/suggest about what the department for education should be doing, as from what I can see they are doing sweet fuck all. I'd imagine most teachers are pretty disgusted at them. I'd imagine most teachers also have just tiny bit more empathy for the situation parents are finding themselves in right now.

I'm soooo glad you'll never be teaching my children!

WokesFromHome · 23/10/2020 19:56

Yes and don't forget it is mostly the elderly and older generation who vote Tory. I don't think this remark is off the wall at all.

cologne4711 · 23/10/2020 19:59

@Devlesko

Rainbow.

Well, we'll just have to beg to differ. I don't care what you do.
There are those who will step up and educate their children and those that won't.

Oh we've had this stupid debate on here before. We'll make all the teachers redundant and sell the schools for housing them shall we? Because parents can do all the educating.
cologne4711 · 23/10/2020 20:00

[quote Northernsoulgirl45]Interesting article on Long COVID. 10% of 18 to 49 year olds with non hospitalised cases suffer for 4 weeks or more.
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-long-covid-warning-as-study-finds-one-in-20-have-virus-symptoms-for-eight-weeks-or-more-12109990[/quote]
4 weeks isn't "long covid". That's just the time it can take to get over a nasty virus. I remember when I had the flu around the Millennium it took me until the end of January to feel better.

Long Covid is what the people have who caught covid in March and still aren't 100% or even close.

GnomeDePlume · 24/10/2020 04:19

Does it really matter if it is called long covid, post viral syndrome or Great Aunt Mary? This virus is showing a propensity to continue to make people feel very unwell for extended periods of time. Even if the original virus was mild (ie additional oxygen wasn't required)

rookiemere · 24/10/2020 08:16

@Porcupineinwaiting Arf at the porcupines dissecting a pigs heart for kicks and giggles. That made me properly snarfle into my tea. Thank you for some much needed light relief.

DarkMintChocolate · 24/10/2020 10:25

Children with SEN or behavioural problems or low achievement have been subject to unlawful exclusions and “off rolling” for decades:

www.theguardian.com/education/2019/apr/18/more-than-49000-pupils-disappeared-from-schools-study

This article says 49,000 children from a single year cohort or 1 in 12 children made unknown exits from secondary schools between 2012 and 2017, and that is not counting primary schools. If you read the SN boards, you will often read threads by parents, who have been told their 5 year old child with autism or whatever can only attend school for 2 hours a day.

All those parents have been faced with the difficulties of full time work and attempting to home educate their child - and a child with SEN is likely to need more expertise to teach, not less, by parents who probably don’t fully understand the precise profile of their child’s strengths and problems anyway. How can any parent have a full time job, where they have to pick a child up after 2 hours?

How many of the pp voted Tory; and/or are now complaining about how their children aren’t getting a proper education when they had to balance full time education and work - but were happy to look the other way, while it was happening to the other 1 in 12 children?

AlecTrevelyan006 · 24/10/2020 10:36

[quote Northernsoulgirl45]Interesting article on Long COVID. 10% of 18 to 49 year olds with non hospitalised cases suffer for 4 weeks or more.
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-long-covid-warning-as-study-finds-one-in-20-have-virus-symptoms-for-eight-weeks-or-more-12109990[/quote]
Four weeks doesn’t strike me as a particularly long time

I had flu a couple of years ago and it took me about a month to fully recover

Northernsoulgirl45 · 24/10/2020 11:10

It said 4 weeks or more and 1 in 20 for 8 weeks or more so that is alot of lost working weeks.
Clearly it doesn't just affect 82 year olds.
Death is not the only problem.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 24/10/2020 11:12

Plus that is non hospitalised cases so only the supposed mild cases.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 24/10/2020 11:46

@Northernsoulgirl45

It said 4 weeks or more and 1 in 20 for 8 weeks or more so that is alot of lost working weeks. Clearly it doesn't just affect 82 year olds. Death is not the only problem.
people took time off work due to illness before Covid arrived. Sick leave is not a new thing.
Northernsoulgirl45 · 24/10/2020 11:48

Of course but this is in addition to everything else.

OliveTree75 · 24/10/2020 11:49

Doesn't it also include prolonged loss of taste and smell? Which whilst is obviously unpleasant wouldnt stop you from working or going about your life

Oly4 · 24/10/2020 11:52

Around a third of people currently in ICU are currently in their 50s and 60s. That’s not old is it?
They might not die but they will have horrendous long recoveries, will prob need months of care. That’s on top of long Covid for thousands more people, which were only just learning about.
It’s not just about the death statistics

bluetongue · 24/10/2020 12:35

Agree that 4 weeks is nothing. I often end up with a nasty cough that lingers for weeks after a cold. Does that mean I say say I have a long cold.

This is like some of my family members that are convinced that catching Covid means certain long term organ damage.

Quartz2208 · 24/10/2020 12:48

I think the key is 1 in 45 is still ill after 12 weeks. Having had a few nasty illnesses in my life (swine flu/glandular fever/pleurisy/adult chicken pox) all took around 3 months to stop feeling some effects off. Although I was back on my feet to work after 2-3 weeks it was tough.

2% still ill after 3 months is high though and I think probably is higher than normal

Belladonna12 · 24/10/2020 13:47

The people who end up in ICU will take a lot longer than four weeks or even 12 weeks to recover. This is not the disease that affects only the very elderly. Many people of working age will become severely ill and some will die. As well as that people with non-Covid conditions of all ages will not get the treatment they need if the hospitals are overrun and staff off sick . It's already happening in people need to stop trivialising the effects of Covid.