Why would anyone behave like this? Liverpool partying scenes

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@Bailey0703

It didn't say it made it ok.

It just seems to me that there is a view that people today should just suck it all up, because after all the older generations went through world wars fully compliant, with no dissent didnt they. But that is just simply not true.
Rule breaking and dissent in times of national emergency is nothing new or unique to people today.

Actually, AFAIK, the highest rates were reported today as Northern Ireland, which had a rate of about 1000 cases per 100,000 people. Hence the severity of the containment.

@XingMing

Actually, AFAIK, the highest rates were reported today as Northern Ireland, which had a rate of about 1000 cases per 100,000 people. Hence the severity of the containment.

Derry and Strabane is near 1000, not NI as a whole. However they're even less on the Londoncentric media's radar than the north of England: the average hack does at least know where Liverpool is. I'm not sure that can be said for Strabane.

You're probably more accurate than I am, because I'd have to look at a map to find Strabane. But I live in Cornwall. Stay well.

Because they are selfish, ignorant twats.

@annabel85

Why are posters saying these people are entitled to get drunk, congregate in large groups and attack the police??

It's actually a bit concerning just how meek the police are given things will get worse the longer this goes on. Liverpool town centre was pretty much dead last night, even for a normal Tuesday night, but there was a police presence about (I posted a video a page or two back that was showing just how eerily quiet it actually was). Obviously any issues are going to occur when those who are out stumble out of the bars at the same time at 10pm. In Liverpool this is clearly going to be the area around Concert Square.

The fact the police can't control a relatively small crowd of what were mostly snotty-nosed teenage students hardly bodes well for what's likely to come next year if all this shit continues. It was bad enough last year in London with the BLM protests that got out of hand one week followed by the Tommy Robinson crowd the week after.

Don’t actually agree with this. If anything the Police Authorities are the only people in authority reflecting what actually occurred - the Deputy Chief Constable confirming that, in his view, a very small number of people - be they students or locals acting irresponsibly on the spur of the moment were quickly dispersed with no real difficulty. The Deputy Chief Constable also made a point of saying that this in no way reflected the behaviour of people in Liverpool generally. I don’t think a more heavily handed police approach would have been anything other than detrimental. I have lived in Liverpool for over 30 years after moving here as a student. I don’t have an axe to grind as either a Local or a former student. Traditionally Liverpool people have been extremely welcoming to students and I would hate to see this relationship break down because of the unacceptable but not malevolent actions of a couple of hundred people which no doubt included both students and some of our own young people, which the police were able to deal with effectively in a very short space of time with apparently no real difficulty

@user1471448866
You're probably right but its annoying the police were caught out like that at the exact time and place any issues would have happened. And the viral video looks bad. It's more dreadful publicity for the city from all angles today from something easily prevented by very basic policing.

I agree with you that it shouldn't change the warm welcome students normally get here (and it wouldn't have all been students) but people are seething here after seeing these videos. Theres already the perception that cases were relatively low until the students turned up last month. Obviously just as bad for them.

We have cousins. And their 80+ year old parents voted for Brexit. Their children and grandchildren begged them not to because of job prospects and educational opportunities. But they went ahead and did it anyway.

Now they are banging on about young people and rule breaking. BTW their children and grandchildren are complying completely.

There does seem to be an interesting flip. No longer is life about making the world better for our children and grandchildren. It's about doing what you please and leaving a shit tip of debt, myopic xenophobic foreign policy, and a scorched earth. But woe betide any young person who, in the face of this, doesn't follow the social contract. Poor buggers

[quote annabel85]@user1471448866
You're probably right but its annoying the police were caught out like that at the exact time and place any issues would have happened. And the viral video looks bad. It's more dreadful publicity for the city from all angles today from something easily prevented by very basic policing.

I agree with you that it shouldn't change the warm welcome students normally get here (and it wouldn't have all been students) but people are seething here after seeing these videos. Theres already the perception that cases were relatively low until the students turned up last month. Obviously just as bad for them.[/quote]
I have a foot in both camps. Consider myself a Local having lived here for over 30 years and understand how anxious the city is but also have a daughter who has moved away to Uni this year and is reporting back that both in her new city and those to which her friends have moved they are experiencing real hostility despite the majority trying to abide by the rules. Perhaps it would have been better if the Government had been honest about the circumstances University students would find themselves in this year. At the end of the day they are young kids who will make mistakes just as the young kids living at home will but I have already heard stories that make me seriously worry about their mental wellbeing and whilst fully understanding the concerns of the wider community I just wonder what happened to the ‘be kind ‘ rhetoric of only a few months ago. I am really worried that our communities are dividing themselves in a way that will persist well beyond Covid.

I was pretty appalled by the scenes from Liverpool and Nottingham. I really felt for the hospitality business owners doing their best to make their premises COVID secure only to be scuppered by what appeared to be a horde of entitled students claiming that going out and socialising is what a university education is all about. I am convinced that over the next year covid will become manageable and life will move on but in the meantime we all need to do our best. I am going to stop now as my blood is boiling. !

@MrsTerryPratchett. Yep. The over 60s voted in huge numbers for Brexit and the young who were mainly remain voters will have to live with the awful repercussions. Now the older generation are expecting the young to put their lives on hold and crash the youth economy for a virus that doesn’t affect them. Many are wondering why they should and I don’t blame them one bit.

I'm a born and bred Liverpudlian, albeit not a resident there anymore.
I do "get" all the views that "the young" think they're invincible, it was their last chance to party, their generation is really going to suffer economically, and some believing the restrictions are draconian and counter-productive, etc, etc........but the emotion I am left with is one of anger and shame.

@LindyLou2020

I'm a born and bred Liverpudlian, albeit not a resident there anymore. I do "get" all the views that "the young" think they're invincible, it was their last chance to party, their generation is really going to suffer economically, and some believing the restrictions are draconian and counter-productive, etc, etc........but the emotion I am left with is one of anger and shame.

Why do you feel ‘anger and shame’ because of the actions of at most 2 or 300 people out of our population of 550,000 ? You may be a born and bred Liverpudlian who has now left but that does not make you any more entitled to slate this city than anyone else. Thousands of people in this city have volunteered to help during this crisis (in common with people throughout the country). There is a real sense of community here and yes sometimes people here (both residents and those who have arrived recently as students) will get it wrong as they have done in vast swathes of the country but we will get it right far more often.

@user1471588124

As a young person ive had enough now. Many in the older generation dont care about climate change and our future, the fact that in 30 years the planet will likely be destroyed and it'll be too late to do anything.

The majority of older voters have voted for a government of austerity for decades, leading to the devastatingly underfunded nhs we have now. I see little hope for the future and although i am not going to parties etc I can see why others are. I dont think we're selfish, we have sacrificed alot for the past 7 months.

I live in a shared house with people i dont know and am in a tier 2 area. According to the rules i cant even see anyone i know, even my boyfriend because no household mixing is allowed.

Hi, user1471588124 - I want to assure you that, as a so-called "boomer", I did not vote for the Tories, nor Brexit. I'm a member of a local climate change pressure group, and support Republic, the anti-monarchy organisation! Please believe that not all people from one generation are all the same, just as I believe that not all so-called "millennials" are "snowflakes". I know it's easy to stereotype people according to age, but there's loads of people like me around, honestly. And be aware that "divide and conquer" can be a useful government tool!

I don't really see how they can be expected to do anything else tbh, if the government don't follow their own rules how can people (especially those at extremely low risk, only having contact with other low risk people - i.e. the situation most uni students are currently in) be expected to follow the rules?

Why do people do this kind of thing? Because they were young and young people generally feel themselves to be immortal and dont think about consequences.

Consequences of spreading a disease which can cause some people to be very sick can affect anyone:

• once NHS critical care services are full for whatever reason then there isnt spare capacity for the next person who needs it whether that is covid related or a road traffic accident

It isnt all about protecting the older generation, it is about protecting everyone.

Where this disease is concerned they pretty much are immortal. Take away all the things that young people usually occupy their time with like going out for their lectures, sports and activities, socialising etc and their are still 24 hours a day to fill. If people are busy, happy and fulfilled they behave better, they are in controlled environments that are safer and more productive. Don’t forget we are making normal, human behaviour criminal here which is a very dangerous thing for a society to do and we have no idea when this will end. We could gain most of the benefit with a lot less of the harm by encouraging people to be sensible, supporting those that have to isolate and with a few mitigation measures such as banning large gatherings. Vilification of large sectors of the population will do no good at all.

The ageism on this thread is disgusting.

And MNHQ are disgusting for letting it stand.

The venom and hate aimed at older people is sickening.

Seems to be a fair bit of hate aimed at younger people too

Ageism works both ways

@AlecTrevelyan006

Seems to be a fair bit of hate aimed at younger people too

Ageism works both ways

Classic whataboutery.

Lazy response.

Whatever :)

Covid is shit but it mainly kills the elderly - that is a fact

Nobody wants anyone to die of Covid but sadly it has happened and will continue to happen

A small number of young people partying is no big deal in the grand scheme of things

I thought @AlecTrevelyan006’s response was spot on. There is major evidence of ageism both ways. We can be angry at a group of people for doing a certain thing but that doesn’t mean that all people sharing those characteristics are doing that thing!! The Liverpool parties were very irresponsible and judging from the videos, predominantly made up of young people but I’m sure there are just as many students / local youth who are not breaking the rules in this way.

My mother in law has terminal cancer - but it’s now illegal to visit her...

Because Covid.

I think a lot have forgot what it's like to be young and carefree.

@LaurieFairyCake

Because they're young 🤷‍♀️ and young people never think they're going to get ill or die

And maybe they don't mix with people at risk

Everyone mixes with people who are vulnerable - whether they know it or not.