Why would anyone behave like this? Liverpool partying scenes

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J496 YNWA

Yes - another necessary show of backbone, fierce sense of justice and community spirit against vested interests and biased media.

The deaths in Liverpool are the fault of the government and the greedy premier league who let in 3,000 Atletico Madrid fans from Spains Corona-capital just before lockdown. The NW strain of Covid is from Spain whereas the strain in the south is from France/Italy.

I lost a relative to Covid in the NW and I lay the blame firmly at the greed and incompetence of the government and the greedy football clubs.

@StoneofDestiny

The one thing Liverpool has is spades is a strong identity and fierce pride - not crass comments by ignorant air brains on mumsnet will put them down.

Thank you so much. I absolutely love this city having come here for University 30 years ago and never left and you have summed up everything that Liverpool is about but I really think we will struggle to overcome this. If we protest unlike other cities/regions who are seen to be standing up for their communities we are ‘whinging scousers’ who don’t care about people dying . If we don’t protest this Government will ensure that whilst other communities with more vocal support -be it a Labour Mayor who stands up for his community or Conservative Councillors and MPs in Lancashire will be heard whilst we are voiceless. The level of despair here is tangible but essentially we are helpless(waiting for another ‘calm down’ post from another poster completely lacking in any form of empathy)

@user1471448866

I grew up in Liverpool in the 1970s and 80s, through Hesiltine and Thatcher. The City will come back, it always does, because the spirit of its people will never be destroyed. Just like other great cities.
If being called a whinger would keep your average Scouser down then the Hillsborough campaign would never have happened

[quote Ted27]@user1471448866

I grew up in Liverpool in the 1970s and 80s, through Hesiltine and Thatcher. The City will come back, it always does, because the spirit of its people will never be destroyed. Just like other great cities.
If being called a whinger would keep your average Scouser down then the Hillsborough campaign would never have happened[/quote]
Very true. Sometimes you need a bit of perspective. This city has come through worse and will again - thanks for that

@user1471448866

Don’t despair / I’m Glaswegian and if you listen to some strands of the media we are all hardened criminals and anti English! Of course it’s Bollocks - but our city is bursting with pride, a great history of overcoming adversity and have never forgotten the Poll Tax dumped on us by the Tories / the only time Tories put us first for anything!

Sane people can see through this government / and hopefully they will get their ass kicked at the next election.

I’ve visited Liverpool many times for pleasure - great museums, great history and great people.

Honestly, this breaks my heart. I'm 42 was shielded and stayed home with three young kids. Now back working my ass off for the NHS. Staff at breaking point and so many patient cannot get appointments and treatment as the risk of infections at clinics is so great.
We have no help and if I get sick my kids and my husband are screwed, it's not just 95 year old grannies that get poorly, a mum of three in her 40s just doesn't suit the narrative for others justifying their behaviour.
We are all fed up, fecked off and all the rest of it but no virus is playing by the same rules. Getting back to normal is only possible when folk adhere to the guidance, folk flagrantly flouting the rules, would you care to explain to my kids if I shuffle off mums dead cos it was your God given right to go for a pint and fanny about pie eyed in the streets with your mates?!

@moreginrequired

Honestly, this breaks my heart. I'm 42 was shielded and stayed home with three young kids. Now back working my ass off for the NHS. Staff at breaking point and so many patient cannot get appointments and treatment as the risk of infections at clinics is so great. We have no help and if I get sick my kids and my husband are screwed, it's not just 95 year old grannies that get poorly, a mum of three in her 40s just doesn't suit the narrative for others justifying their behaviour. We are all fed up, fecked off and all the rest of it but no virus is playing by the same rules. Getting back to normal is only possible when folk adhere to the guidance, folk flagrantly flouting the rules, would you care to explain to my kids if I shuffle off mums dead cos it was your God given right to go for a pint and fanny about pie eyed in the streets with your mates?!

Off topic - but if you work for the NHS and go sick don't you get full pay for 6 months and half pay for 6 months?

@moreginrequired

Honestly, this breaks my heart. I'm 42 was shielded and stayed home with three young kids. Now back working my ass off for the NHS. Staff at breaking point and so many patient cannot get appointments and treatment as the risk of infections at clinics is so great. We have no help and if I get sick my kids and my husband are screwed, it's not just 95 year old grannies that get poorly, a mum of three in her 40s just doesn't suit the narrative for others justifying their behaviour. We are all fed up, fecked off and all the rest of it but no virus is playing by the same rules. Getting back to normal is only possible when folk adhere to the guidance, folk flagrantly flouting the rules, would you care to explain to my kids if I shuffle off mums dead cos it was your God given right to go for a pint and fanny about pie eyed in the streets with your mates?!

I honestly do have every sympathy for your situation . On this thread I and others have merely been questioning why we are subject to harsher rules whilst other local authorities are apparently just saying ‘no’ or demanding (and getting) far larger financial recompense for being placed in tier 3. I haven’t set foot in my parents home since March 7 (ie before Lockdown ) as things appeared to be escalating then. My d dad has since undergone chemotherapy (following an initial delay due to Covid) and I have still only had phone contact with him and my mum- zoom /FaceTime etc is an alien world to them. My dh has similarly not set foot in his parents house since March and my dd has gone to University having seen one set of dgp’s in their garden(when it was allowed) but not seeing her other more vulnerable dgp’s. We have abided by every single rule. In contrast the healthcare professional who lives next door to me and visits people in their homes has openly said to me (whilst we are in tier 3 ) that she has no intention of not seeing her daughter, son in law and grandchild . That is their choice but whilst people would like to think that there is a certain section of society (chiefly the young) who choose to ‘fanny about pie eyed in the streets with your mates’ the reality is that this is a simplistic view but gives comfort to people seeking an easy target to blame

would you care to explain to my kids if I shuffle off mums dead cos it was your God given right to go for a pint and fanny about pie eyed in the streets with your mates?!

Exactly what we were all asking when Johnson allowed Cheltenham Races to go ahead right at the beginning of this crisis, people flying in from all over the world and travelling across the country so bookies and racehorse owners could make a fortune!
The example was set there - and ‘rule breaking’ encouraged by Johnson’s support of Cummings.

No support from me for people being idiotic - but a whole cities reputation cannot be panned for one groups behaviour.

However, a government allowing Cheltenham Races to go ahead does need panning!

like @user1471448866, myself and my teenage son have followed the rules and as a result, as we do not live in Liverpool, we have only seen my parents once in Liverpool, for two hours in their garden in June, and once in north wales in July. We have seen no other family. My 15 year old was totally isolated from his friends for three months, as was I.
my next door neighbour who is a critical care nurse on a covid ward had a regular stream of visitors through lockdown.

@StoneofDestiny

Cheltenham was 10-13th March.
Boris started lockdown on 23rd.
Some horses and staff would have arrived here a day or two before, having come from abroad, hotels booked, animals primed.
TV crews and associated press would have booked accomodation and made travel arrangements.
Tickets booked, flights arranged, catering in place, all planned as much as 12 months earlier.
Boris had plenty of time to warn all parties concerned as racing BEGAN on 10th but preparations started way way before that.
It was not the fault of the JC nor anyone connected with racing.
It was the "fault' of government, if indeed any fault can be ascribed to a scenario where no-one appeared to know what directives to issue or what path to take.
Boris' announcement came 10 days after racing at Cheltenham, ended.

Exactly! The knowledge about what the virus was capable of was well known - yet the massed crowds at the races went ahead.
Holidays, like peoples weddings etc, were planned years in advance but still had to be cancelled.
The government allowed Cheltenham to proceed - the government is to blame.

@StoneofDestiny

Exactly! The knowledge about what the virus was capable of was well known - yet the massed crowds at the races went ahead. Holidays, like peoples weddings etc, were planned years in advance but still had to be cancelled. The government allowed Cheltenham to proceed - the government is to blame.

Also the weekend before lockdown a full set of Premier League fixtures were going ahead. It was only because a few players tested positive a day or two before that the PL suspended the league.

Imagine the extra transmission if they'd gone ahead. Especially in London.

Because unfortunately for a lot of us quite a big number of the British public are prone to acting unreasonably.

because the spirit of its people will never be destroyed

I agree with Ted27. Having lived there myself I can tell you that you can't break their spirit. They aren't a city of people, they are a clan. Don't be misled by Boris' attempts to divide Manchester and Liverpool and the rest of the north either. Liverpool and Manchester bicker, but it is sibling rivalry, nothing more. They will never throw each under a bus. Boris' divide and conquer attempts last night in his press conference will have the opposite effect to what he thinks they will.

Having lived there myself I can tell you that you can't break their spirit. They aren't a city of people, they are a clan. Don't be misled by Boris' attempts to divide Manchester and Liverpool and the rest of the north either. Liverpool and Manchester bicker, but it is sibling rivalry, nothing more. They will never throw each under a bus. Boris' divide and conquer attempts last night in his press conference will have the opposite effect to what he thinks they will.

I agree about northerners, not just in Manchester and Liverpool, bickering, but yes we would all come together as one as "northerners".

But the mayor of Liverpool, whose brother has sadly just died of covid, and the mayor Greater Manchester very obviously do not agree on the question of agreeing to tier 3.

Anderson, while opposing the tories in general, came out straight away and agreed to the govt tier 3. I think he has acted with integrity and shunned any party political grandstanding. The same cannot be said about Andy Burnham, who is STILL playing a dangerous grandstanding game by delaying any restrictions

What happened in Liverpool would have happened in any other city or urban area in the north. It's not just Liverpool

I'm from the north, born and bred, and will often defend it to the hilt, but from what I've seen or gathered, many people across the region are simply NOT following the guidelines.

Liverpool have released hospital footage in the last few days, of covid patients in ITU. I think we might need to do more of this across the region, to get it into our thick heads just how serious the situation is.

The same cannot be said about Andy Burnham, who is STILL playing a dangerous grandstanding game by delaying any restrictions.

Burnham isn't the one delaying the restrictions. He simply doesn't have that power. It isn't up to him. Johnson can unilaterally impose them if he wants, and if he hasn't, that's because he has chosen not to. All Burnham would be able to do is legally challenge the decision... and there's your answer.

@WokesFromHome, how do you know this about the different strains of Covid please?

According to the Daily Telegraph the Govt is prepared to offer Manchester regions £100 million + to secure an agreement to enter tier3 whilst the Mersey region caved in with support that doesn’t even equate to 50% of that. If this is correct and Liverpool region don’t abide by the harsher regulations remember this when people criticise us for not abiding by the latest rules. We have been completely sold down the river and Plenty of us now don’t care how many ‘calm down’ and ‘bolshy scouser’ insults are thrown this way. What happened to ‘we are in this together’ ?

I saw Burnham on the Marr show yesterday. He firstly said that the infection rates in Manchester werent that high compared to other areas and in the next sentence he agreed to move into Tier 3 as long as he had the money. Which is it?

I used to quite like him but he has seen his 15 mins of fame coming and is looking increasing like he is playing politics and the big I am.

@Bathroom12345

I saw Burnham on the Marr show yesterday. He firstly said that the infection rates in Manchester werent that high compared to other areas and in the next sentence he agreed to move into Tier 3 as long as he had the money. Which is it?

I used to quite like him but he has seen his 15 mins of fame coming and is looking increasing like he is playing politics and the big I am.

It sounds like you think those things are mutually contradictory?

Andy Burnham is doing what's right for the people of GM, we need the 80% furlough and he's fighting tooth and nail for it. The new furlough scheme that's kicks in on 1st November is not going to stop businesses from folding.

Andy Burnham is doing a grand job fighting, quite rightly