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MJMG2015 · 15/10/2020 08:32

@Bbq1

Bloody sickening and shocking. They may ir may not be from Liverpool. I'm from Liverpool born and bred and myself and all my family, friends, colleagues are disgusted. The worse thing is people thinking all Scousers are like that. WE'RE NOT. It's a minority.

Only those Beverly hard of thinking, think it's all scousers & don't allow for the fact that half of them probably aren't scousers anyway

However, they need not only more police to break them up, but they need to be delt with to the full letter of the law & university.

You have this bunch of fuckwits doing this, bringing on harsher measures, risking lives AND livelihoods! Blaming the Govt for harsher measures is ridiculous, put the blame firmly where it belongs!!

FakeCutlassesAreAGatewayWeapon · 15/10/2020 08:51

Taking emotion out of this we don't know the whole story. This crowd may be entirely due to logistics.

That specific area of Liverpool has bars and bars all next to each other as it's a prime student/stag & hen hangout as has already been mentioned. It's absolutely likely that every single bar in that area observed social distancing measures with flatmates counting as households. There is a huge student population in Liverpool due to more than one city centre University.

Since it's the last night of them being open they are likely to be full. Every single one closes at 10, early enough that people are far more likely to stay until closing. Then everyone is sent on to the street, which has never been a place it's compulsory to wear a mask, and if students they are likely all walking back to pretty much the same place since most uni accommodation is in the same area.

How was there ever not going to be a crowd?

One person throwing a bottle doesn't make a riot, it means one person is an absolute jackass.

I'm in the region and around here it was dead, as has been reported by many others in the area. Don't judge a region of hundreds of thousands based on a crowd in a location where many many bars are kicking out people at the exact same time.

Keep1984fiction · 15/10/2020 09:11

Today's daily mail
No mention of Liverpool the partying students pictured today are from Newcastle.
Has to be an article every day showing scantily clad students outside bars not socially distancing
It's the rule now for lazy journalists

Zilla1 · 15/10/2020 09:24

BTW, ITU being full can lead to deaths at any age. There was an ITU before COVID, used for RTA, cardiovascular events and lots of other conditions. Age still a risk factor but an 18 year old needing ITU after a fight or an RTA or accident and their family might not be chilled about there being not ITU capacity.

Miljea · 15/10/2020 10:49

@Parky04

When I was there age I would have done exactly the same thing. Now I have matured, I am less selfish.

Interesting. Because now I've 'become older' 😊 the scales have fallen from my eyes as every recent election, and every referendum has revealed to me that the best policy, it turns out, is looking after number one.

I don't blame those young people, either.

They've been so summarily screwed over by their elders over the past few years that 'expecting' them to go on toeing a confused, mixed message party-line to avoid an infection that is highly unlikely to affect them at all badly - was rather obviously going to be a step too far.

Mollyboom · 15/10/2020 10:52

Because they are young and want to enjoy themselves, as it always was. I don't blame a single one of them.

Miljea · 15/10/2020 10:56

Runmybathforne "I frequently meet people who haven't left their house since March".... um...🧐😂

Miljea · 15/10/2020 11:01

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

We are asking them to give up the most for the least personal benefit

I hope all young people don’t think like that and think about others not just themselves otherwise the next generation is going to be very selfish,

...what, just like their elders who vote Tory, vote Leave? Who are now sitting in their £500,000 houses, bought for a 2x multiple of one wage 40 years ago? Who got a free university education, a job for life and a copper-bottomed company pension, and a triple locked state pension?

And who now own pretty much everything? Those altruistic elders, you mean?

Miljea · 15/10/2020 11:08

RationalOne 😉. "I imagine that they are selfish with no care for others.a bit like the students apical uni Exeter. Doing fine here until the partying students arrived."

Remind me who told the students to arrive? Oh, that'd be the Tories who wanted to ensure the Tory voting university landlords got their cash.

And the unis that lured students to Halls with promises of a mixture of F2F and online- til the day Induction' started, and lo! 100% on line.

My DS has, since Sept 12th, spent 2 hours inside his uni.

No wonder they are pissed off.

Miljea · 15/10/2020 11:12

@Lowkee

MaxNormal that's exactly what I mean. It doesn't really matter to someone shielding for their own health what the students in Liverpool are getting up to as it won't actually affect them. They've to shield to save their lives, not due to the actions of youth, but because this virus is evil. Demanding that everyone stays locked down in solidarity with your elderly parents is a little bit out there to be honest.

I agree 100%. And think the 'eff off' remarks were entirely uncalled for.

Miljea · 15/10/2020 11:28

@yikesanotherbooboo

I was pretty appalled by the scenes from Liverpool and Nottingham. I really felt for the hospitality business owners doing their best to make their premises COVID secure only to be scuppered by what appeared to be a horde of entitled students claiming that going out and socialising is what a university education is all about. I am convinced that over the next year covid will become manageable and life will move on but in the meantime we all need to do our best. I am going to stop now as my blood is boiling. !

Well, you only saw what you wanted to see, then, didn't you?

I am a veteran of The Bournemouth Beach reporting fiasco, on here; you know, the low wide angled lens shots deliberately manipulated to whip up the likes of you; whereas the reality, the drone shots, showed yes- loads of people, but SD all over the beach.

Don't get sucked in.

MrsDrudge · 15/10/2020 11:32

Not all elderly people are able to stay at home, wallowing in the lap of luxury in £500k homes.
35% healthcare workers are over 55 (Source BMA)
Most people have to work until at least 65, probably older, before they are able to retire.
How are they supposed to isolate if they are working, and how will it be funded?

NRatched · 15/10/2020 12:56

The thrown bottle is shit. Obviously.

Them going out and enjoying themselves, I cannot really whinge about. I understand why people say its selfish when hospital admissions are up. But every winter they are up, often totally strugglin to cope with usual winter bugs, a bad bug season is a disaster for the NHS, yet when they are full to the rafters with flus and such, does anyone put their lives on hold, or even think 'I might add to the hospital numbers'? I don't think so. Thats not to say covid is flu, but the hospitals being overwhelmed is surely just as bad whatever the reasons for the surge in admissions?

Covid also des not 'behave' the same as flus and such for spreading.

Anyone interested in 'the science' ad having a bit spare time, might be interested in this
medanthroquarterly.org/2020/06/05/the-unknown-known-the-sars-past-of-covid-19/

It explains how it could be possible that most deaths are all concentrated in certain areas (Lombary, had a HUGE chunk of all Italys death toll), how some large event (the protesting for example, or beaches as mentioned) have not made numbers jump and some smaller events do, and a few more often asked questions too. Also kind of says us treating it like flu, spread wise, is a bad thing, as its totally different.

I can't make sense of modelling and such using flu spread, when there is SARS to compare with, which is a much more similar illness.

NRatched · 15/10/2020 13:11

@Lowkee

Blind fury is a bit of an overreaction. It was 50-100 people who decided to celebrate the arrival of the Feds into their midst. Hardly every student in Liverpool.

Blind fury is probably the right way to describe it tbh. Yes, it was a few people. But it appears some see photos of 100 youngish people, and take from that that all young people are breaking the rules, and thus their dislike (or hatred, in some cases it seems) of younger people grows. When the students were locked in their accomodation, it was not uncommon for people to react with 'well its their own fault, bet they were all partying so they deserve this'

NRatched · 15/10/2020 13:33

Since it's the last night of them being open they are likely to be full.

This is of course true. The government do not seem to learn about giving advanced (public) notice of stuff like this do they..when the whole country went into lockdown, IIRC it was announced at 4pm or something that that would be the last night people could go to the pub for a while. Naturally, the pubs seemed more packed than they get on new years eve! A few friends work(ed) in bars and said it was ridiculous, they couldn't get moved and in some cases resorted to offering a free drink to anyone who would do the glass collecting as it couldn't have been done otherwise. They did actually say it was worse than NYE, and apparently everyone swarmed in at the same time too, like an hour after the news said it. And staff had no idea it was going to happen so were caught in the headlights.

Lowkee · 15/10/2020 13:54

@Miljea

Runmybathforne "I frequently meet people who haven't left their house since March".... um...🧐😂

PMSL

MrsFezziwig · 15/10/2020 16:17

If you think that the population of the UK was fully compliant in the war years you probably should do some social history research

I don’t think you need to do in-depth research to be aware of a few well-known facts. And for full disclosure I can’t get stressed over a few newspaper photos because we know that for balance they ought to publish photos of empty streets, but we all know that’s not going to happen.

However, I do object to the belittling of the war generation. The average age of soldiers in both world wars was mid-twenties. So basically young men took the brunt of the wars for everyone’s good. In the case of WW2, six years of their lives (if they lived that long).
My mum was 8 when the war started and 14 when it finished. So quite a large chunk of her childhood. Many nights having her sleep interrupted to go to the air raid shelter with the fear of being bombed. In an emergency situation you sometimes have to miss out on the “nice to do” things.

By the logic of some people on here, we should make sure that over-80s get to live a bit longer as they already missed out on several years of “normal” life in the 1940s.

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/10/2020 17:06

However, I do object to the belittling of the war generation.

No one is belittling them. What people are saying is that weren't special. They did an incredible, selfless thing in a lot of cases but people are people. Some people did what they are supposed to and many didn't. Hence the ARP and air raid wardens. And the black market. The young people were drinking and shagging and smoking when they got the chance, just like now. My Granny and her sister could tell some stories when they'd had a couple of drinks.

CrappleUmble · 15/10/2020 17:14

Yes, accurately recording what happened isn't belittling them. They were humans, who behaved like humans do. Piously co-opting the whole cohort to moralise at people pretty much is though, and that's what the comments about people in the world wars breaking the rules were posted in response to.

Ted27 · 15/10/2020 17:18

@MrsFezziwig

I did not belittle the war generation.

As with many things in history, there is a gloss, or spin as we would probably call it now, put over the facts, to create the myths.
We are talking about the behaviour of mass populations, not individuals. Of course millions of people sacrificed a great deal in the war years, but if you think that everyone behaved impeccably and followed all the rules then you are wrong.

@MrsTerryPratchett , if my nan was alive, she too could tell a few tales

Ted27 · 15/10/2020 17:44

Some random thoughts

In WW2 an estimated 23,000 babies were born to Canadian fathers serving in the military, and 20,000 babies to US service men. Someone was having a good time.

There are also some interesting reports about the rise of juvenile delinquency, with children being out of school, and leisure activities not available to them

Teenagekicks21 · 15/10/2020 18:53

Without condoning that behaviour, as clearly they are being idiots, I've read a few 'eyes witness'. statements about this incident and it seems it was the minority being irresponsible. And I totally understand that everyone, including young adults, should be following the rules, but hand on heart when I was that age I don't think I'd have followed all the rules.

Everhopeful1 · 15/10/2020 19:06

@torquewench

Students. Not necessarily from Liverpool.

Indeedy. Students in Edinburgh supposed to be self isolating are hiring AirBn'b's as party flats.

NRJ688 · 15/10/2020 19:17

@MrsFezziwig

If you think that the population of the UK was fully compliant in the war years you probably should do some social history research

I don’t think you need to do in-depth research to be aware of a few well-known facts. And for full disclosure I can’t get stressed over a few newspaper photos because we know that for balance they ought to publish photos of empty streets, but we all know that’s not going to happen.

However, I do object to the belittling of the war generation. The average age of soldiers in both world wars was mid-twenties. So basically young men took the brunt of the wars for everyone’s good. In the case of WW2, six years of their lives (if they lived that long).
My mum was 8 when the war started and 14 when it finished. So quite a large chunk of her childhood. Many nights having her sleep interrupted to go to the air raid shelter with the fear of being bombed. In an emergency situation you sometimes have to miss out on the “nice to do” things.

By the logic of some people on here, we should make sure that over-80s get to live a bit longer as they already missed out on several years of “normal” life in the 1940s.

dont you mean Over 90s? most over 80s wont remember much about the second world war, the Blitz was 80 years ago (1940-41)

StoneofDestiny · 15/10/2020 19:51

Let's not forget this Prime Minister, when fully aware of the life threatening effects of Covid across Europe, allowed countless thousands to attend Cheltenham Races, drink, mingle, hug and yell.

He made sure Dominic Cummings faced no sanction and in doing so gave the go ahead for people to challenge the rules.

Put the blame where it lies - and yes, while these crows are behaving like eejits, they had bigger eejits showing them the way.