Would anyone support another national lockdown?

[RubyandBen]

Same as the last one. Schools, non essential shops, hospitality etc. stretching on for a few months. If yes, can I ask what are your personal circumstances?

Orange blossom.

Trite. Have had it all, nothing really works. Have quite severe mental health problems.

Our local CMHT sent out letters just before lockdown informing patients that all appointments were cancelled but not to worry because there was a "Crisis Line" you could call.

Problem was it was only open Monday to Friday.

I don't know where people could access CBT under these circumstances.

No, it's too late and there are too many cases out in the community. It might push cases from December to February but at what cost?

Lockdown only works where rules are enforced but in the UK we police by consent, and too many people refuse to comply with the rules.

Plus this whole saga has shown how fragile a lot of people's mental health and finances are.

On these sorts of threads I agree with most viewpoints even where they are complete opposites. To me it just shows how complex the whole thing is.

Yes, if it comes to the point where we are in danger of not being able to treat people for anything in hospital because the system is overwhelmed. I don't want cancer referrals and other urgent treatments delayed or for all ambulances to be sitting outside a and e because there's nowhere to put patients (happens on bad days in winter anyway these days).

I would also think it a good idea if it could be used as a way to keep more businesses open over the winter e.g. two circuit breaker lockdowns a few months apart with shops/pubs open in between versus no official lockdown but pubs and shops shut for months on end. No idea if that would work though.

I am angry that we have got to this point, though. If we had bought in better test and trace, support for those self-isolation and opened schools and universities in a more sensible way we wouldn't be here!

No utterly not, we need to go back to normal as much as possible as quickly as possible whilst taking the basic necessary precautions, masks and enhanced hygiene.

Emoji so do I...speaking from experience, lockdowns won't help mental health long term.

Also as mentioned lockdown can means cuts to mental health services... (CBT is available online as well however).

@Hyperfish101 what difference will that make in reality? In a month after opening we will be back to where we are now - the virus is here to stay and our kids, lives and incomes cannot continue to suffer.

I would support it if it was done properly. Food deliveries only and no one out the house unless they worked in essential jobs eg nurses doctors firefighters, food delivery drivers. Not like last time where some shops /businesses claiming to be essential were open. If we have to do another lockdown it needs to be strict. We could see people living near us out at the local shop 3 and 4 times a day for sweets and crisps totally unnecessary trips out. We need to get our country back to normality and back on its feet however we also need to eradicate this horrid virus. I could handle a strict 4 week lockdown.

I wouldn’t support another lockdown (now branded as a Circuit Breaker to fool people) but we will have one soon because the press are pushing for it.

@Flaxmeadow

Again, people are missing the point of lockdown. It isnt to stop people becoming sick or dying, it's to stop people bexoming sick or dying ALL AT ONCE

We, and not just in the UK, have been told since March, time and time again, that the reason for lockdown is to slow the spread of the virus down in order to save the health services. Not just the health services but other services too

If this virus is allowed to spread uncontrolled then we will not have those services and this would be a rapid collapse

People would die in the street, there would be chaos, food shortages, martial law, the army would have to be brought in. There would no ambulances to call, no functioning hospitals or GP practices, no police or social services to help. If you think it's bad now, without restrictions it would get much worse

Many 100,000s of people would require some kind of assistance from services all at the same time and many of the people manning those services would also be off sick or in isolation or quarantine

What part of this don't people understand? What part of how serious this global crisis is don't people get?

What part of this don't people understand? What part of how serious this global crisis is don't people get?

A lot of people just can’t cope if they allow themselves to comprehend it, others are just so used to ‘them’ being responsible for fixing everything that the fact that this is unfixable is a cause for blame. How can this be happening, someone should sort it out, they’re all incompetent if they don’t!
Every day, day after day, yet another news item about how hard it is on this sector or that. Yes it is. Yes the ramifications will last a long time. More and more posters saying ‘my child’s life is being affected, it’s not fair.’ Yes, one way or another it will affect everyone, why would you think you and yours should not be affected by a global catastrophe? Yes some industries will never recover. Yes it disproportionately impacts those who had the least to begin with. It’s utterly awful. We have to do whatever we can to suppress it, the alternative is unthinkable.

@StealthPolarBear

On these sorts of threads I agree with most viewpoints even where they are complete opposites. To me it just shows how complex the whole thing is.

Me too, well kinda, I usually dont agree with the extremes of both sides of the debate. I would normally trust the leaders to choose the right action but i dont even trust them! It’s quite overwhelming really to know what is the best thing to do . There is no clear way out of it.

Mypersona.

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼At last. Some sense. I’m sick of people whining that another lockdown will stop them seeing friends and they will carry on as normal. Can’t they see past this into the future?

On these sorts of threads I agree with most viewpoints even where they are complete opposites. To me it just shows how complex the whole thing is.

Yes this. I don’t want any of this and would love to go back to ‘normal’. I don’t want schools closed and want my children to be able to see their friends. But what happens if we do nothing ? There won’t be any staff to keep schools / hospitals open. It’s a no win situation whatever we do.

‘’People think only covid deaths matter, nobody cares about other illnesses’’ - don’t talk daft! Don’t you people realise that if the hospitals fill up with covid patients that literally NOBODY who needs any kind of treatment for any illness whatsoever will get it because the hospitals will neither have the beds or the staff?

Besides which, it’s not just the deaths that matter, a significant percentage of people seem to be getting long term complications. The numbers might be small of deaths or complications, but a small number of a big number still equates to a big number.

And no, it isn’t like flu, it’s more contagious for a start.

I’d be willing to lockdown for a few weeks over winter to get over the winter peak and while the gov get their act together with test and trace and maybe a treatment if we’re lucky and that’s it.

I posted earlier that I would comply but not support but actually I do agree that if the evidence is that hospitals will be utterly overwhelmed then I suppose I would reluctantly support (as well as comply which I would do in any case)

If we have a lockdown now the new 3 tier system has not had a chance to work.
Any cases seen now were from before new regulations were introduced as the incubation period is up to 14 days.
Live in tier 2 in North West town and nothing appears to have changed in last few weeks still people going into shops without masks.
If lockdown is brought in there will still be lots of interhouse activity near us.
Was last time will be this time the people concerned don't generally go into pubs it's more of nipping to a family member or friend for a brew and if schools shut take the kids so they can play together.
No enforcement unless a major party or get together couple of funerals and wakes in the manchester area attended by hundreds of people. Left by police as could cause civil unrest

It’s not going to work. North West should be in the higher tier anyway. Just learnt where l live (tier 2) is going to move up another level.

They can’t even get the tiers correct.

Why do people think covid is going to vanish with another lockdown? It won't

People don’t think it will vanish. They think that it is necessary to have stringent restrictions in place to supress the virus and mitigate the worst effects. It isn’t possible to completely block transmission chains because essential services have to function. For some reason people can’t understand that without mitigation the outcomes would be horrific beyond their imagination and would be far more damaging to society than the restrictions.

My dh made a veyr good point this morning.

Lockinog down now will mean that we will need to lock down again about 4-8 weeks later, and repeat that cycle to keep cases down.

that means the next lockdown will fall over Christmas......

Don't care either way.

Our household won't lose any income, we all can happily spend time together, plenty to do in home and garden. But totally realise this is not the case for all.

I’m sick of people whining that another lockdown will stop them seeing friends and they will carry on as normal. Can’t they see past this into the future?

I hate this attitude. I'm suffering from severe depression following the death of my Dad in July. My family is spread across Europe and I live on my own. Over half of my team has been made redundant. I WFH and rarely see anyone.

I've been suicidal for the first time in years. Seeing friends in the flesh (not via Zoom) is the thing that stops me completely going over the edge. I'm not the only one.