Would anyone support another national lockdown?

[RubyandBen]

Same as the last one. Schools, non essential shops, hospitality etc. stretching on for a few months. If yes, can I ask what are your personal circumstances?

Not unless it was absolutely two weeks and businesses knew that so that they could plan properly, otherwise we will lose a lot more

Even then I'd comply but not really support it for very low transmission areas

@Hyperfish101

Also it DID work last time. The purpose was to reduce the r rate, reduce deaths etc. That’s how we came out of the other side of the bell curve. Now we are climbing back up again.

It was months, not 2 weeks!

I am in comfortable position financally but I think I would be more willing to accept a national lockdown if everyone's money was pooled and we all received a very basic income so no one had to worry about being destitute. Key workers are paid a much higher salary than everyone else. We'd all have to be prepared to give up space in our house for someone who is lIving alone so they have someone to bubble with. A bit like the war when everyone receIved rationing and they all mucked in.

The decisions to lockdown/have restrictions are made by people who get paid regardless
And the vast majority of people I know in real life who support lockdown will be paid regardless too
Meanwhile in the business world,people are seeing their businesses and income destroyed

Yes it was months! That’s not what is being suggested now though is it? This thread is about a short lockdown.

I completely agree there would need to be financial support for businesses etc. But 2 weeks like that is surely better than months of quasi lockdown restrictions and a rising rate of infections that will impact the economy regardless.

No.. mine and everyone elses kids are benefiting so much from being back at school. I love the routine, getting out everyday to do the school run. Being able to go out for meals or do things with DP. It's about mental health and a lockdown over winter would be awful.

Are people reading the thread or not getting this......whatvis being proposed is a 2-3 week lockdown. Not a total lockdown over the winter.

They are going to correct all the wrongs of T&T within a 2-3 week lockdown? Give me a break.

Plus, they are insistent on keeping educational establishments open - rightly so imo - & what about all the asymptomatic cases - eg 90% of the cases at Northumbria Uni and then the ill-disciplined elements of the population who deny Covid/flout the law & will continue to do so?

@Hyperfish101

Yes it was months! That’s not what is being suggested now though is it? This thread is about a short lockdown.

I completely agree there would need to be financial support for businesses etc. But 2 weeks like that is surely better than months of quasi lockdown restrictions and a rising rate of infections that will impact the economy regardless.

Yes except they said it would be 3 weeks last time. The schools were closed almost 6 months. No one trusts the government anymore.

No

Yes I think another lockdown is necessary

I don't think it should go on for as long as the last one, but I think we should be prepared for a series of lockdowns. I think this is now our only option, as we fucked up on getting an effective testing system in place (alongside low level restrictions, social distancing, masks and a sensible re opening of large public bodies like schools and universities) during the last one.

We have 3 children (14, 13 and 10). 10 year old ds has complex needs, and it was pretty hard in the last lockdown, as we shielded ds as he is medically extremely vulnerable. We were also caring for my shielding mum, but she died in June. I have had to stop working but dh was able to continue working (he works outdoors and can socially distance himself), so it isn't easy, and there is the worry that if dh lost his job due to cuts, we would also lose our house (which we don't own). It is not easy.

Absolutely NO.

We locked down for MONTHs. The virus didn't go away... look at where we are now. It won't go away if we lockdown again.

All we are doing is prolonging how long it takes. Unless you're advocating 3 months out and 1-2 months in until we get a vaccine?

I want my children in school, my husband and I will suffer whatever restrictions need be so that business and schools stay open but I will never support a national lockdown.

To be fair (and I don't particularly support the two weeks shutdown unless it really is just that) they never said it would be just three weeks last time, it was pretty clear it would be for a few months but that it would simply be reviewed three weekly

It sounds like this is a totally different thing being proposed though I admit I'd be worried about it extending again And I've no idea of the evidence as to what two weeks alone achieves

However, a paper by members of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), obtained by The Times and due to be published today, challenges his position. It shows that a two-week full lockdown, with stay-at-home orders and school closures, from October 24 could reduce deaths for the rest of the year from about 19,900 to 12,100. Hospital admissions could be reduced from 132,400 to 66,500.

No.
Home schooling was awful. Kids missed their friends and the school environment.

I still had to travel to work wasn't furloughed or anything and it was very tough on dh who still was working at home.

I am in comfortable position financally but I think I would be more willing to accept a national lockdown if everyone's money was pooled and we all received a very basic income so no one had to worry about being destitute.

So you are saying that people keep on working, but their pay then doesn't go to them, it's pooled and then the pot is dished out?

No bloody way!

‘It’s about mental health’

My mental health is very bad atm. Scared to go out, terrified by the numbers. It depends on which way you look at mental health. I was OK when figures were low in the community, but not now. Although they were never that low in the North of England. So my mental health would benefit hugely from another lockdown.

I’m sick of it. The usuals are agitating for lockdown. Most people I know in real life are very scared for their jobs and mortgages. But the vociferous are the lockdown enthusiasts. You can see from what happened in Liverpool overnight that the young people are exasperated by the restrictions. So you’ll get a situation where the economy is closed while people carry on socialising and spreading it. Sage knew that compliance with lockdowns would be short. What’s the fucking point of trying the same strategy??

No.
I can wfh and my employer will continue but the additional costs snd loss of income means we are already seeing extensive redundancies. A lot of my friends are self employed and on their knees. Yes, many of them got the self employed grant but they still had business costs to pay out of that and a lot were left with very little to live on after those were met.
We have 4 parents 82+ and they have all declined massively since the spring due to losing the activities and day centres that gave their lives meaning. I expect all 4 to die earlier than they would have with a reduced quality of life until they do

I wouldn't support it no. I think enough jobs have been lost as it is.
All a lockdown would do, is push cases forward again like it did last time. Until there is an effective Track and Trace method in this country, I won't be behind anything strict being imposed

No. It won't work (look at Israel for example of short lockdown)

Isn't it the definition of insanity to keep doing something again and again despite it not working?

I also think if healthy people are too scared to go out, rather than a lockdown might be worth tackling that anxiety with something like CBT perhaps.

@Hyperfish101

Are people reading the thread or not getting this......whatvis being proposed is a 2-3 week lockdown. Not a total lockdown over the winter.

Yes, but the effects of that lockdown are nullified within 3-4 weeks of re-opening. So you'd need 2 weeks lockdown then 4 weeks with restrictions repeatedly until next summer.

I would not support.

I’m comfortable, can work from home, have access to outside space, etc so lockdown has minimal impact on my life , other than the joys of home schooling. My mums cancer treatment has not been interrupted.

But I can see the massive harms happening elsewhere. I do not support the Government’s actions because I think that there are other things much worse than Covid which are being ignored. Massive increases in stillbirth, undiagnosed cancers, children being murdered, suicides etc.

And we know that lockdown only suppresses. Unfortunately it’s too late to go for a move to herd immunity this year, we should have done that in the summer when viral loads are lower. Covid is just a new coronavirus. Human immunity has adapted to the others. This one will be no different. But the costs of what we are doing are too high.