"There's something else going on. This isn't about a virus"

[Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady]

So I've seen this in a few posts.

The idea that there is something "else" going on or that the restrictions being put in place aren't for the virus, they are for "something bigger"

So would anyone care to share what they think this "something bigger" actually is, rather than vague mutterings on other posts?

Government practising control on the population for shits and giggles whilst the economy goes tits up?

5G?

Zombie apocolpypse?

I read a book about it once, the psychology of conspiracy theories. Apparently we seek to build a narrative for things when we cannot fully explain them or they cause us fear

I can see that. Here in Mexico we have an epidemiologist in charge of the response to covid and he is amazingly good at explaining things, which makes all the difference.

In the UK, politicians are the ones who appear to be making the decisions and an awful lot gets lost in translation.

@oldwhyno

This virus IS the vaccine.

There's something much much worse to come. Building up immunity in the population by letting this virus circulate, and kill maybe 5% of the planet, means we give ~35% a chance of surviving what comes next.

So what is next?

Gates said we were not ready for the next big novel disease.
That's hardly Nostradamus territory!

All information contrary to the government line is labelled disinformation and removed (from youtube, fb and so on). I might not believe in 5G conspiracies but why can't people express those opinions in a free world? And even less contentious ideas by 'normal' people or scientists is labelled as disinformation or presented with much skepticism like The Great Barrington Declaration. Why?

Many local lockdowns are not producing the expected results. In which case, one must question if the measures are effective, surely. But no, we are told people are not following them and need more rules, more enforcement. Why?

Death rates have plummeted yet no one is reporting this. Instead, reporting sticks tightly to the rates of positive tests. Why?

Why is cash being marginalised when there is no evidence for transmission? For that matter, no evidence for transmission in supermarkets either yet we have to wear masks in them. Why?

Why are there noises about keeping over 45s at home, or issuing iphones so everyone can be tracked and traced?

Why has part of Scotland just closed pubs and hospitality when there is no evidence transmission happens here? For that matter, why close public swimming pools and why were beautician some of the last businesses allowed to trade?

Finally no one is telling us what their goal is with all these lockdowns. Are they trying to eliminate the disease? Are they hoping to keep it as low as possible banking everything on an exceptionally quick, effective and high-up take vaccine? Are they trying to reduce the speed of spread to eventually allow it to become 'endemic'?

In the absence of reasoned and logical policies, people will fill in their own narratives.

Did he refer perhaps to SARS and Mers ?

Big deal. I've heard of them before 2020 too!
That's not a flipping conspiracy.

I mean, Legend of Zelda; Breath of the Wild. Need I say more?

@TheVanguardSix Totally off topic, but that is a cracking game. I’ve finished it twice. About to have a week of, might just have another go at it.

I feel like I'm back at school defending the nerdy guy!

@ScaramoucheFandango

Gates said we were not ready for the next big novel disease. That's hardly Nostradamus territory!

Gates and Fauci fucking made it. Vaccine companies make the viruses to sell the vaccines.

Supply and demand.

Did he make polio and malaria too?

Big pharma.
They also control everything.

Agenda 21 is not a conspiracy theory. My local council publishes yearly reports of targets they've met or need to set.

sustainabledevelopment.un.org/outcomedocuments/agenda21

The world economic forum has launched The Great Reset which i would have thought would be big news.

www.weforum.org/great-reset/

I firmly believe the virus is being used to implement policy's that we wouldn't normally accept. Some of these ideas were already there in agenda 21 like working from home to reduce carbon emissions and my council started that years ago.

Personally I think some of the measures we're going to see because of covid/ climate change/ sustainability are actually about reducing our oil use.

Who made polio, bubonic and pneumonic plague? And all the rest..

Do you not think it's unlikely that new human diseases would suddenly stop arising for the first time in our species history?

Oh did I fall for a joke post?

Literally thousands of experts and well-informed people predicted that at some point there would be a novel virus, flu or otherwise, which wouldn’t just fizzle out like the ones we’ve had pop up in the last fifty years or so.

I ran scenarios on it at work and I’m not even a medic. It pops up in New Scientist every couple of years. Steven Soderbergh and a dozen A listers spent sixty million dollars making a film about it - scripted almost entirely on what a bunch of epidemiologists thought what was most likely.

Someone I know is obsessed with the 5G thing.

Scarily involved with the idea.

Moving home. Kids removed from school etc.

Is it wrong that I already feel sorry for the poor sod who gets to monitor me (after I've had my microchip and my internet screening and all that). I live possibly the most boring life on the planet - I work in the Co Op fgs!

I give my monitor about a week of watching everything I do before they get absolutely bored rigid and go off and play Tetris whilst still claiming to be observing all my comings and goings.

What’s the ultimate goal if the toad to it is nefarious?

*road

Wait, now the toads are nefarious???!!!

Prince George is going to be King right away.

Gates said we were not ready for the next big novel disease

Oh God, will we at least have the choice between A Suitable Boy and War and Peace?

Anyone watched “Utopia”? (It’s really good if not)

Bit too close to home at the moment perhaps, giving people ideas.

Zap , My 'micro chip' will be so tedious too. I am a mere minion in my job . I go to the shops and remember my mask. I've not even had a driving fine. I watch crap tv and love reading ; they will also die of boredom watching anything I do.
Ay Dee , If these things can 'track our every move' what is the point of your friend moving home?
Unless you live totally off grid , it's impossible not to be tracked by some means or another!

The best conspiracy theories are not the wacky obvious ones but the reasonable ones - like the idea that 'the basic rule of economics is full employment' (might want to read up on the geographical distribution of the social means of capital AKA creating mass unemployment in local communities by outsourcing to chase cheap labour and increase profits). This is how capitalist economics work in the absence of a global pandemic. Capitalism has never been benevolent.

Except now, suddenly, the narrative is all about protecting jobs and mental health. So this would obviously mean that the income of essential workers has increased hugely given the legacy of austerity, people have not lost their jobs (given the state has been funding those employed but unable to work) barriers to mental health access have been removed etc.

Oh, but look, that's not happened. What's actually happened is that the rich have got richer and the poor have got poorer. Furloughed workers have been paid wages by the state whilst making profits for employers. Taking tax rebates whilst paying out dividends.

Look at the stock market and see what state intervention is doing despite high and rising unemployment and the uncoupling of indicators like oil prices.

Go figure. It's almost as if the capitalist economic model is geared to increasing profit at all cost, exploiting all 'opportunities' including those of a disaster.

But that would be a conspiracy because we all know that our leaders (and betters) are making huge sacrifices to keep the economy and social society functioning for the benefit of the little people.

Straw targets are useful.

My phone knows far too much dull crap about me as it is.