At my breaking point now. Don't see light at the end of the tunnel

[Valleydad99]

This is probably not going to sit well with people but I'm honestly at the point where I'm questioning what the fucking point of these virus measures are. All the masks/social distancing/lockdowns haven't worked in eliminating the virus & now apparently as cases rise it's back to lockdown again?

Am I the only one thinking maybe we need a plan B? Rather than being flamed for apparently trying to kill people for questioning it?

My 1 year old has been locked down for half her life. I can't take the kids to see sport or play inside for basically no reason.

My kids are no longer welcome at church because of SD & in case they wander around like kids do so now we have no spiritual guidance & anyone I express concerns to just say it's for the greater good & fuck you. "Suffer the little children" said Jesus except when they need god most I suppose.

We've been following all the fucking rules but now it's well if more people followed the rules this would all be over. But that's just not true is it. There's no magic bullet & a vaccine doesn't cause it all to go away so I guess we'll just stay in our bunkers shouting wear a mask at people until we're all dead.

I'm not sure what the point of this post is, guess I just want to shout into the void but I'm mentally at my breaking point & don't see a future for my children & me.

@Limona

I don’t know if I can agree with you there OP. Because if the Sunday school was open and you took them and your children aren’t at risk because of their age but someone else is because of theirs - well, that’s not very Christian either, is it? Suffer little children, yes, but note Jesus didn’t expect his disciples to be the ones to go up to the man with leprosy.

People like to misquote “suffer little children”, it doesn’t mean children are hated or abhorred by the Church, it just means right now it isn’t possible for them to attend. I mean, would you actually take them, if you could, even though they might unknowingly pass on the virus? Because I’m one of the most laid back people I know about it, and even I felt guilty when I realised I could have passed it to someone who works in a nursing home.

What do you suggest then that op locks her children inside just incase they pass a virus to strangers even though there's actually much more chance of op catching it and passing it to strangers than her children??

@Bupkis

Well thats smashing *@ChodeOfChodeBall*, I'm glad you're not worried about it...sounds like you've got it all sussed.

Not at all sussed. Though given that there's not much for me to live for thanks to lockdown and its catastrophic effects on the sector I work in (and, therefore, its effects on my income and family) and everything I care most about after my children, I would take Covid on the chin if all my family and friends could go back to work. Bear in mind their work actually means something to them - they're not functionaries, but people who made career choices based on things that really, really mattered to them.

Thanks for the lecture @Bupkis.

And yes another one who’s happy to take their chances.

@lazylinguist

All the masks/social distancing/lockdowns haven't worked in eliminating the virus

Nobody said it was going to eliminate the virus. It was supposed to limit its spread and keep it from running rampant. You can't say the restrictions haven't achieved that, because you don't know what it would have been like without the restrictions. Scientists modelled the likely outcomes with and without restrictions back at the beginning. And that's why restrictions were brought in.

And those models were very incorrect.

The people who are happy to take their chances are usually the ones who have a good sense they'll be alright.

@PracticingPerson

The people who are happy to take their chances are usually the ones who have a good sense they'll be alright.

If you can be bothered, try "advance search"ing me. You will discover that I might not be alright if I catch Covid, but I'm not prepared to sacrifice my children and other, unknown, people's livelihoods in order to preserve my own health (which is in any case impossible, because I have never lived in seclusion, and am not going to start now).

@HildegardeCrowe

Thanks for the lecture *@Bupkis*.

Well you did ask In future I'll reduce it down to a simple "Because it's fucking stupid and fucking selfish"

"Yes, but then we may as well dismantle the church entirely. My church has stood in mostly it's current form since 1250"

They closed most churches world-wide during the previous big flu epidemic of 1918, and Christianity survived. It should be more than just a nice big building.

It does sound like you should probably talk to your priest though about what they can do to cater to people in your position, you won't be the only one who could probably use more of an outdoors sermon setup.

@ChodeOfChodeBall I can't be bothered with advanced searching, no

[quote PracticingPerson]@ChodeOfChodeBall I can't be bothered with advanced searching, no [/quote]
Goodness, that's fair enough. Short version is that I'm vulnerable to anything involving viruses, and the aftermath of them is completely shit for me.

But that's just about me. I don't expect the world to stop turning because of my particular vulnerability any more than I want it to stop turning because some people (including me) are susceptible to Covid.

I'm with you OP.
I know lots of people have it much worse than we do, but it's still shit.
I can't see an end to it. I just want my life back.
I'm an extrovert, DH is an introvert. Normally it doesn't matter because I see friends but I've barely seen anyone for 6 months.

We're all allowed to be sad/unhappy/depressed about it, just because others have it worse.

Wow angry and rude and holier than thou @Bupkis. Very revealing.

@ChodeOfChodeBall I hope that you'll be ok then.

I just don't agree with the 'take my chances' approach.

We each have our personal circs, but my view is we shouldn't risk health.

Soft play in N Yorks is open. Definitely Laughing Giraffe (Boroughbridge) and Creepy Crawlies (York). Probably loads more.

Angry - yes, however I was trying to be restrained.
Rude - also yes, apologies I thought that considering your passive aggressive response to my, admittedly lengthy, but considered and honestly felt post, that that was the level we were at now
Holier Than Thou - not sure how that fits...but, maybe that's how it came across.

I should probably stop looking at mumsnet for a bit. These threads about the Barrington stuff have deeply saddened me.

@Bupkis yes, it has upset me too

I met my first real life covid denier today! I work somewhere pretty scientific so it was a rarity. I was left with mouth .

The people who are happy to take their chances are usually the ones who have a good sense they'll be alright.

In fairness, the vast majority will be alright (from a CV perspective). It’s only when you get to over 80 or over 65 with significant comorbidities that the prognosis becomes much more serious.

I think some take it seriously and some don't. Not sure the two camps can bridge the gap.

I think it makes sense to protect the health of the working age population.

I can't cope anymore too. I probably am going to lose my job and I am extremely worried about looking for another one now that there won't be many job offers.

I'm in Melbourne, Australia. We are in one of the toughest lockdown situations in the world, after having a huge spike in cases because of a hotel quarantine bungle. We now have around 10 new cases a day.

The lockdowns work, if followed properly - as in, no sneaky visits to family, no secret parties, no people being forced to go into work when they're sick because of inadequate safety nets. Masks work, if people wear them. Tests work, if people get them. It's not fun, it's not any way to live long term, but it all works - if people follow the rules.

My sympathies Underthecarpet. Is it Melbourne where they shut a block of flats and wouldn't let anyone enter or leave?
This is where you realise how tough it is for some people.
Being in a nice rural town in a decent sized house with a garden (me) is so much easier than being on the fourth floor of a block of flats and not being allowed to leave.

Those "willing to take their own chances" are making a decision not just for themselves but for others who are in need of health care but are going to be unable to get it for a long time. And if they become sick from something other than covid they will be at the back of a very long queue for treatment. They are willing to kill off other people, or leave them in pain for long periods, because they cant take a few more months of restrictions.

New treatments are being developed, covid is less of a risk in summer and restrictions will be relaxed then anyway. So you are looking at 6 months of restrictions, possibly less if all the new treatments work in large trials. Rapid testing being developed too, more restrictions can be removed when you can get results back quickly and test people before they do something more risky.

So because you are too weak to cope with 6 months of restrictions you want to deny health care to thousands of other people - and ignore the risk that you may be one of those people. I can afford private health care if I need it, the rest of you have to pray you dont get sick. Dont do your praying in church, the virus has spread well at religious events.

'Nobody said it was going to eliminate the virus. It was supposed to limit its spread and keep it from running rampant. You can't say the restrictions haven't achieved that, because you don't know what it would have been like without the restrictions.'

Exactly. I do wonder how many people are actually complying and not mixing households anyway. So many just ignoring advice then having a strop about their 'liberties' when restrictions increase.

So many just ignoring advice then having a strop about their 'liberties' when restrictions increase

Rubbish. The majority of people are complying. Lots of them are sick of it and feel the rules often make no sense. It's important to keep an eye on civil liberties, or 'liberties' as you so dismissively call them.