At my breaking point now. Don't see light at the end of the tunnel

[Valleydad99]

This is probably not going to sit well with people but I'm honestly at the point where I'm questioning what the fucking point of these virus measures are. All the masks/social distancing/lockdowns haven't worked in eliminating the virus & now apparently as cases rise it's back to lockdown again?

Am I the only one thinking maybe we need a plan B? Rather than being flamed for apparently trying to kill people for questioning it?

My 1 year old has been locked down for half her life. I can't take the kids to see sport or play inside for basically no reason.

My kids are no longer welcome at church because of SD & in case they wander around like kids do so now we have no spiritual guidance & anyone I express concerns to just say it's for the greater good & fuck you. "Suffer the little children" said Jesus except when they need god most I suppose.

We've been following all the fucking rules but now it's well if more people followed the rules this would all be over. But that's just not true is it. There's no magic bullet & a vaccine doesn't cause it all to go away so I guess we'll just stay in our bunkers shouting wear a mask at people until we're all dead.

I'm not sure what the point of this post is, guess I just want to shout into the void but I'm mentally at my breaking point & don't see a future for my children & me.

Dismissing civil liberties as a frivolity is straight from the right wingers play book.

[quote Bupkis]More about The Barrington Declaration here...www.wired.co.uk/article/great-barrington-declaration-herd-immunity-scientific-divide[/quote]
Good article, everyone should read this before signing this declaration. It does not represent good, rigorous, peer reviewed science but individualistic pseudoscience that is not at all supported by the vast majority of scientists.

This should not be a conversation primarily about the erosion of civil liberties.

Thats giving excuses to the government to not take responsibility for their catastrophic lack of competence over track and trace.

The fact that excel was being used at all smacks of the poor standards and investment in a possible pandemic which has long been known to be a massive risk.

Would we be talking about civil liberties if the death rate in children was as high as it is in older people?

Somehow i doubt it.

@RedToothBrush

This should not be a conversation primarily about the erosion of civil liberties.

Thats giving excuses to the government to not take responsibility for their catastrophic lack of competence over track and trace.

The fact that excel was being used at all smacks of the poor standards and investment in a possible pandemic which has long been known to be a massive risk.

Would we be talking about civil liberties if the death rate in children was as high as it is in older people?

Somehow i doubt it.

It would be a very different scenario if this primarily killed children. It would be worse. But I think the measures would be less because children cannot vote.

I dont think we'd have the narrative of 'i'll just take my chances' and people thinking its ok to sign things like the Barrington declaration...

... I think reflecting on that reveals a lot about people motivations and how they view others in society.

I personally cannot imagine a situation were older people give up significant amounts to protect younger people and end up covering the costs on top of that.

@Valleydad99
These posts are really starting to grate now.
The woe me generation really are in full swing!
Years ago there weren't all of the various facilities we have now, or if there were they were further apart and more expensive. Yet we all managed only going to soft play once a year as a "treat".
I think it's a sad indication of our country's future that has ahead of it with this mindset creeping in and being given so much "air space".
You've not suffered that badly. Our lockdown wasn't anywheres near as harsh and severe as many countries. You can and have been able to go outside. You've been able to holiday and even attend amusement parks and zoos etc for months if that's your thing. So why the complaining?
FFS get a grip. Easter wasn't cancelled. It was just different. Christmas too will be different. But if rather have a different Christmas this year and celebrate with my loved ones as I prefer for years to Come than have this year and no more!

[quote SoloMummy]@Valleydad99
These posts are really starting to grate now.
The woe me generation really are in full swing!
Years ago there weren't all of the various facilities we have now, or if there were they were further apart and more expensive. Yet we all managed only going to soft play once a year as a "treat".
I think it's a sad indication of our country's future that has ahead of it with this mindset creeping in and being given so much "air space".
You've not suffered that badly. Our lockdown wasn't anywheres near as harsh and severe as many countries. You can and have been able to go outside. You've been able to holiday and even attend amusement parks and zoos etc for months if that's your thing. So why the complaining?
FFS get a grip. Easter wasn't cancelled. It was just different. Christmas too will be different. But if rather have a different Christmas this year and celebrate with my loved ones as I prefer for years to Come than have this year and no more![/quote]
People are losing their fucking JOBS!!

SoloMummy

Years ago IT WAS NOT ILLEGAL FOR PEOPLE TO SEE ANYONE OUTSIDE THEIR HOUSEHOLD. At no point in history have people raised small children in tiny family units without ANY other support from family or community.

It’s not normal, it’s not ok, it’s hard and depressing and a long slog and it’s even more depressing that people who at one time have raised children themselves now expect everyone to suck it up. If you’re not trying to raise small children during this you have absolutely no fucking idea how hard it is.

I’d like to celebrate Christmas with my loved ones too. But I can’t, because it’s ILLEGAL.

SoloMummy

I find it hard to believe you are a mum tbh. Similar comments on the Times from old men who may be grandparents if they are lucky.

@BikeTyson during the plague they used to nail whole families into their houses and leave them to die. Or whole streets or quarters would be barricaded with no one let in or out.

People who were typhoid carriers or people with leprosy used to be imprisoned for life "for the public good". There were isolation hospitals were people with tb were sent (not necessarily voluntarily). So before you make your melodramatic claims maybe check your facts (and lay off the capitals they make you look like a nut with a room temp IQ).

I hear you op. Ive the kids all of school cos eldest has a cough so am doing the right thing and keeping them all off even tho she is fine in herself and so are the others.. Im in Ireland and whole country is now on level 3 even though our particular area has feck all cases. Im sick of all of it. Im following the guidance but getting increasingly depressed with it all. People arent friendly anymore, no one smiles or says hello. You would sooner fart in public then sneeze now a days for the looks you get. I get it for some it's a horrendous illness, but what about all of the other illnesses, mental health, education. When will there be an end to all of this? My mental health has taken such a battering this year. Your not alone op. Xx

You’re definitely not alone OP. I think a lot of people are feeling this way right now.

Please try to ignore the “in my day it was so much harder” crowd. It’s totally understandable to be finding this incredibly hard. It’s not a sign of weakness. For me I’m finding it much tougher than March/April, at least it felt like there was a point to it back then.

A lot of us are really starting to question this now. You're not alone OP.
Happy to mask up and obey rule of six, restrict my contacts. That's it for me. I gave up six months of my life, it was worth it to protect the vulnerable and allow treatments to develop. I've played my role.

I guess I'm 'selfish' for wanting some vague semblance of a life for myself and family

You've not suffered that badly. Our lockdown wasn't anywheres near as harsh and severe as many countries.

People have lost their jobs, might lose their homes. Whole industries shut, and likely to remain shut so long that most of the companies within them will go under.
People in care homes are not seeing their loved ones for months at a time, and might die without seeing someone they love ever again.

But as long as you're not personally suffering, eh?

See when people bring up the plague, or even the Spanish Flu? These things were quite a long time ago, you know. The situations are not all that comparable. We’ve been utterly fucked by the failure of our government and devolved administrations to get a handle on testing.

And Christ, nobody thinks soft play being shut is the end of the world. Speaking as the mother of a three year old in Scotland, it’s the fact that pretty much everywhere for that age group remains closed - no playgroup, no swimming pool, no library. And no playing at friends’ houses. It’s crap for the wee ones but also desperately isolating for parents.

You dont have a vague semblance of a life @IrishMamaMia. Are you in a refugee camp on Lesbos or something?

Hi. Stuck at home with a very demanding and time consuming 2 year old. 8 year old's in school and partner works away Mon to Fri. Feel like I'm trapped in my own home. Anyone else feeling totally fed up frustrated and like they're going bonkers with only 4 walls to talk to. I am honestly at bursting point.

@Porcupineinwaiting great way of trying to get me back on board to the 'We're all going to die crew.' I'll be right back to caring again when the government sort out test and trace or when there's an end in sight.

'Rubbish. The majority of people are complying. Lots of them are sick of it and feel the rules often make no sense'

You can't possibly know if people in the areas where there are more restrictions aren't mixing households, going by the numbers it would seem they are as we know that is the area of highest transmission. You only have to read the many threads on here where people are just deciding exercising their freedom is more important than controlling the spread to realise very few will be not socialising with others.

'The rules make no 'sense . It is an infectious disease, it is spread by human contact and higher when mixing households. How much plainer could it be?

We had thread after thread with posters saying that 'the government should have done more!!! after the first wave and now as in the second wave people whinge that it's too much 🙄. Make your minds up.

hellomissus you do realise if is because there is a virus that is killing hundreds of thousands of people globally don't you? It isn't just for the fun of it you know.

What do you suggest? Our ICUs are filling up, death rates are increasing. What would you do? And fgs please don't bring up NZ with its miniscule population or Sweden with a fraction of our population density.

solo you sound like that generation who have never actually had to sacrifice much - always harping back to a generation when you weren’t even born.

Yep. I'm not prepared to listen to harping on about how nobody moaned during the war by anyone who wasn't an adult during the war. If you're aged 91 and want to talk about how nobody moaned during the war because they all had so much backbone then go ahead: you're still wrong, the historical record clearly proves this, but I'm willing to indulge you.