We may have to give up more to keep them open

[notevenat20]

From the BBC quoting Ferguson this morning

"We think that infections are probably increasing, doubling every two weeks or so, in some areas faster than that, maybe every seven days," he said.

The former government adviser said the "most important" measure to drive down infections was reducing contact between households.

He said schools should be kept open, but "we may have to give up more to keep them open"."

Can we give up any more?

Why should the child-free give up any more than they already have to keep schools open?

@PineappleUpsideDownCake

Notevena why wouldn't they be educated? With a proper part time option and proper online learning they should be. It's not like in march. Certainly with proper funding it could be done and far safer. Like the small classes we had in summer for the years that went back.

If their parents don't have jobs/lose houses they will be at a huge disadvantage long term.

Because many parents are in a position/ can't be arsed to educate children at home.

Many families don't have computer/ access to the internet/ printers/ even pens and paper or a table to sit at.

Children need to be in school for safeguarding reasons.

The problem with this, speaking as a CP social worker, I can almost guarantee that the first kids to be kept off and "home schooled" will be the ones that need to be in school the most. Schools need to stay open and be mandatory at all costs.

It's great to hear someone say this here. Thank you.

I agree with most here but just to remind people that just because people aren't dying doesn't mean theres no repercussions, I had covid in july and I still get chest pains and have breathing issues. I wouldn't wish it on anyone

Well mr lockdown could give up seeing his married lover!

Obvious things would be other businesses Paris has just shut its bars for example although obviously trade offs and no easy solutions certainly

But not all university teaching can be remote.

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Why should the child-free give up any more than they already have to keep schools open?

I guess the selfish reason is that these children, once educated, will fund the nation during your retirement.

Re. the OP. This is what Chris Whitty already said. So that is 2 of them at least. I guess the issue is when is the right time to apply this advice.

A pp said the schools in Manchester were full of Covid-19, but where I live there are very few cases in schools (but the university has been affected, though not on a Northumbria uni scale).

The varying regional differences is something that the government is not facing head-on. Maybe some areas are past the point when this scientific advice should have been implemented, and other areas are not at that point yet (but very well may be within a few weeks).

Because like it or not, child free or not, it is children that will find and run the country in the future.

Supporting and funding both the child free and those who choose to have children.

Fund!!

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

But not all university teaching can be remote.

Engineering
Science
Art and Design
Drama studies
Architecture

I agree and accept the case with regard to these subjects, but on a whole the university population could have been vastly reduced through remote learning.

Oh and I say this every time we got no home schooling in March and I have no reason to think it would be different now the teaching unions actually oppose a legal right to in line learning which I think demonstrates that it’s not exactly got universal enthusiasm within the profession! (www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/education-54363069)

Realistically shutting schools is ending education for a lot of kids it did in March and it will do again. It may be a price as a society we say we will pay but it is a price.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

‘You are more likely to die by suicide’

That’s a comfort to those with mental health issues who’ve looked suicide in the face more than once🤨

Exactly what I was thinking.

Qasd, you are out of touch.

All schools have had to have training in delivery of online lessons. All pupils know which groups they are in shoukd schools have to switch to only be learning.

And the unions no longer have that stance.

I've not read everything but in my opinion the problem is that yes the schools HAVE to stay open. I'm a teacher, I want them open, I want to go to work (I'm vulnerable as well but I am working and will continue to do so).
The kids need to be in school, they don't need 6 months again at home largely playing games and not working / seeing friends. (I've asked a lot of kids what they were doing during lockdown and despite what you see in mumsnet, most kids I've spoken to were not learning ).

So I want the schools open and I am happy to continue to go to work in them for as long as they are, and send my kids. And in my ideal world they would remain open at all costs.

But then what - all other areas of society are battered because of it? People lose incomes, livelihoods and businesses are lost, that will cause economic problems, mental health problems etc etc I'm sure everyone know that

So whilst I love to batter the government at any opportunity because I think they have REALLY fucked this up... I don't think it's as simple as "close everything else / stop everything else to keep schools open"

It isn't that simple and whatever is done people will lose out. No it shouldn't be kids but there is no easy option.

I don't know what the answer should be 🤷

*But not all university teaching can be remote.

Engineering
Science
Art and Design
Drama studies
Architecture*

Ds does woodwork-can you imagine!!!!

Well yeah!! I teach a practical subject, mess everywhere and you need lots of space!

@DailyFailstinks

Why should the child-free give up any more than they already have to keep schools open?

You speak as if children are a hobby for parents, they are the next generation we need them to be sane and properly educated in order for society to continue

I fear that deaths from all other causes will dwarf anything from covid.

I'm a teacher and I agree most children learn better in school. However some things on here are slightly ridiculous - it is clearly more essential to be able to buy food and medicine than to be able to send your children to school (that is why food shops and pharmacies stayed open in lockdown).

It is also worth noting that cases in schools aren't being reported in the press, no idea why. Obviously I know how many cases there are where I work, but I can't find any reports of them outside school. We are now starting to have parents pull their children out because they are worried. Also have lots self isolating, but no bubbles closed as yet (although some classes are down to 2 students left in school).

All schools have had to have training in delivery of online lessons. All pupils know which groups they are in shoukd schools have to switch to only be learning. And the unions no longer have that stance

What is to going to happen to these previous arguments

a) We can't provide online teaching because of the pupils who can't access it.
b) We can't provide anything live because the teachers are too busy looking after key worker children

We need to stop the obsession with keeping schools open and close them. Secondary schools at least.

This might help. Just click near your area and it brings them all up.

www.boycottunsafeschools.co.uk/reported-covid-19-cases/school-cases-after-12-8-20/?fbclid=IwAR33O9Qa0YXHf0-krBsmGYyU1hQqOjn8KczbUT-UgRcknN-mK4wt9ykmFoo

@OpheliasCrayon

I've not read everything but in my opinion the problem is that yes the schools HAVE to stay open. I'm a teacher, I want them open, I want to go to work (I'm vulnerable as well but I am working and will continue to do so). The kids need to be in school, they don't need 6 months again at home largely playing games and not working / seeing friends. (I've asked a lot of kids what they were doing during lockdown and despite what you see in mumsnet, most kids I've spoken to were not learning ).

So I want the schools open and I am happy to continue to go to work in them for as long as they are, and send my kids. And in my ideal world they would remain open at all costs.

But then what - all other areas of society are battered because of it? People lose incomes, livelihoods and businesses are lost, that will cause economic problems, mental health problems etc etc I'm sure everyone know that

So whilst I love to batter the government at any opportunity because I think they have REALLY fucked this up... I don't think it's as simple as "close everything else / stop everything else to keep schools open"

It isn't that simple and whatever is done people will lose out. No it shouldn't be kids but there is no easy option.

I don't know what the answer should be 🤷

This is a nice post and cheered me. I get the impression from my DC school that the teachers are largely happy to be teaching the pupils with appropriate measures that the DC don't mind (if the teachers need to get within 2 metres they put on a mask, some wear visors all the time). I am so appreciative of the teachers keeping on going into school and ensuring the pupils don't lose out. Plus a balanced view - always nice to see balance on MN.

Why close other stuff in preference to fixing the problems in schools?