People STILL not wearing masks on London buses

[custard6543]

I had to take a journey by bus earlier. There were about 10 people on the bus, three of whom were not wearing masks. Drivers need to stop letting people on without masks - these selfish passengers are putting everyone else’s lives at risk!

@onedayinthefuture

Maybe stop using public transport? Thank god I have a car.

Unfortunately if we don't go to work we are likely to lose our jobs. And lots of us use public transport to get to work. And medical appointments, and pick up DC from school, and care for relatives...

I'm disabled and rely on public transport to get anywhere. I can't stop using it. I wish I could, at the moment.

“ Vulnerable disabled people who are at increased risk of dying from Covid vs a small number of disabled people who genuinely can't wear masks”

Not all vulnerable people are disabled

Not all people who genuinely can’t wear masks are disabled

@MaxinesTaxi

“ Vulnerable disabled people who are at increased risk of dying from Covid vs a small number of disabled people who genuinely can't wear masks”

Not all vulnerable people are disabled

Not all people who genuinely can’t wear masks are disabled

You're right. Lots of over 45s aren't disabled.

Also, fair enough. Definition of disabled depends on interpretation (and sometimes self description).

Long-term health conditions, including autism and PTSD, count as disability under discrimination laws.

@Theworldisfullofgs
“Whats fascinating is that those accusing others of being judgy are the most judgemental.”

Yes you have hit the nail on the head.

@MaxinesTaxi

“ Vulnerable disabled people who are at increased risk of dying from Covid vs a small number of disabled people who genuinely can't wear masks”

Not all vulnerable people are disabled

Not all people who genuinely can’t wear masks are disabled

This.

My reason for exemption isn't a disability.

[quote Chestergirl39]@Theworldisfullofgs
“Whats fascinating is that those accusing others of being judgy are the most judgemental.”

Yes you have hit the nail on the head.[/quote]
I'll ask again - what's judgemental about asking to allow those without masks the benefit of the doubt and for those of us who cannot wear a mask to go about our business, free from abuse?

I can't wear a mask or a visor (I've tried both) I am exempt on medical grounds, I have cancelled all appointments including medical ones for this, I don't use public transport, I avoid all shops (using click and collect or delivery only) I am now avoiding pubs and restaurants, I use small local shops and check with them that my lanyard is acceptable, purely for the fact I don't want confrontation as I can be hot headed! I don't really know what more I can do? Posts like this make me even more unlikely to use shops etc for fear of the outcome! I look healthy! I am saving a fortune but my mh is destroyed and I feel very isolated! My issue I know! But I am taking slots away from the vulnerable which I would rather not do and seeing people being divided is very sad for something that many of us just can't conform too!

Lots of people not wearing masks properly are not exempt or disabled. They are either carrying a mask, wearing it under their chin or over their mouth but not their nose. Some people wear the mask whilst getting on the bus and take it off once past the driver. This also happens in shops.
Bus drivers are playing the automated message saying everyone should wear a mask but it is being ignored. Drivers get too much abuse to directly challenge people.
I have asthma so could legitimately not wear a mask but do wear one as it's better for everyone. It annoys me to see these people not bothering.

If you judge someone for not wearing a mask you are a piece of shit, that is it, don't judge others.

I'll ask again - what's judgemental about asking to allow those without masks the benefit of the doubt and for those of us who cannot wear a mask to go about our business, free from abuse?

So how do you suggest we deal with people who don't wear masks for no other reason than the fact they are selfish morons who don't care about putting other people's health at risk (and yes, a significant number of people who don't wear masks WILL fall into this category, whatever some of the naive posters on here believe!)

If you judge someone for not wearing a mask you are a piece of shit, that is it, don't judge others.

Seriously? So people who get on public transport not wearing a mask for no legitimate reason should not be judged? Thankfully the law disagrees with you.

Lots of people not wearing masks properly are not exempt or disabled. They are either carrying a mask, wearing it under their chin or over their mouth but not their nose. Some people wear the mask whilst getting on the bus and take it off once past the driver. This also happens in shops.

Exactly, but apparently anyone who judges them is a "piece of shit", according to the idiotic poster above.

What reason other than disability is there for mask exemption? I didn't think there was one. Unless you mean you have a Long-term health condition (including PTSD) - which is of course a disability.

@Chestergirl39 and @Akire
Yes agree. We urgently need an enquiry!

PennyDreadfuI

Have you seen the behaviour on this thread?

So, its perfectly acceptable to call someone a piece of shit?

This thread has so much projection on it and issues carried over from other threads that it has completely disable a reasonable discussion.

If we don't get Covid until control then this country will be in groundhog day. The only way we can do that is with our behaviour.

But to be honest this thread has made me feel completely hopeless.

The media/government have really done a number OP. Do you teally think your life has been put at risk because three people on your bus weren't wearing masks?

Thank you @FTMF30, exactly this. Does no-one remember the government saying that we shouldn’t wear masks!

Bus drivers are playing the automated message saying everyone should wear a mask but it is being ignored.

Incidentally, one of the people who wasn't wearing a mask on my bus did actually put theirs on after the bus driver played that automated message. So it does appear to have some effect at least.

@PennyDreadfuI

The fact is that not everyone who doesn’t wear a mask is exempt. Some are selfish a**holes.

Those who refuse to wear a mask for selfish reasons (ie those without a genuine reason - the selfish a**holes) are ruining for those who are genuine.

This is because it is obvious to those of us with half a brain that there can’t possibly be so many people who are genuinely exempt. Anyone who believes otherwise is seriously naive.

People are understandably anxious, especially when they have to travel in close proximity to others who aren’t wearing masks, eg on public transport. It isn’t always possible to keep a safe distance. Unfortunately it is impossible to tell if someone is genuine or not.

In answer to your question, people who have genuine reasons should not feel scared to leave the house and do not deserve abuse or to be judged.

Equally, people who are anxious about travelling in close proximity to others not wearing masks do not deserve ridicule or to be judged either. You have no idea their reasons for feeling this way. They may be vulnerable to infection themselves. (This is why I agreed that those complaining of others being judgemental are equally judgmental themselves).

People who refuse to wear masks without good reason absolutely deserve to be called out and fined. They are causing the inflammatory atmosphere and risking further spreading the virus. They are making the situation worse for those who are exempt. Without an exemption letter or card though it is impossible to tell who is exempt or not, so maybe that is the answer?

Excellent post @Chestergirl39, thank you!

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

As more evidence became available then the guidance changed.

And the guidance at the beginning was quite frankly shockingly bad. How do you think they contained SARs in Asia (another coronavirus)?

Ah yes chestergirl you are of course correct. But the frothing still the mouth bridge will soon be along to tell you how ablist and nasty that is and how they can't get them and anyone can print one off so it doesn't count and how they shouldn't have to prove it to anyone and how dare anyone asks.

I'll get the 🍿

@HeresMe

If you judge someone for not wearing a mask you are a piece of shit, that is it, don't judge others.

Do you realise the total hypocrisy in this statement?

Women who already find their smear tests excrutiatingly painful cannot face going to them with a mask added to that as well. It came up on another thread.

Do you realise the total hypocrisy in this statement?

I'm with you OP. The amount of non-mask wearers I've seen on public transport or in the supermarket that are strapping young males is astonishing, some in gym gear. I doubt very much that they are all exempt!
I also find it astonishing how many MN users believe all the non-mask wearers are exempt. Seriously? Get into the real world.
And yes, it does bother me if lots of people aren't wearing masks near me. And people should be allowed to express that fear without being accused of disabilism. Because lots of non-mask wearers are not disabled!