People STILL not wearing masks on London buses

[custard6543]

I had to take a journey by bus earlier. There were about 10 people on the bus, three of whom were not wearing masks. Drivers need to stop letting people on without masks - these selfish passengers are putting everyone else’s lives at risk!

It's interesting that those people who cannot control themselves enough to stop themselves challenging others who are not wearing masks, never seem to challenge these groups of men who are not wearing them.

What's being childfree has to do with the price of fish?

I never challenge anyone. There have been cases of people being assaulted for doing so.

I have seen ticket inspectors and transport police do it though.

@Underhisi I suspect we will see the same thing happen with these Covid marshalls. It will be women and vulnerable ppl like the man with dementia upthread who get challenged. It wont be the 6 foot + man or big groups of lads.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon The poster was talking about disabled ppl like they are one big homogenous mass. I was pointing out no one would get away with applying the same thinking to parents.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

I never challenge anyone. There have been cases of people being assaulted for doing so.

I have seen ticket inspectors and transport police do it though.

Which is fine as that's part of their job. Although I'm still at a loss as to how you would actually prove you were exempt.

Nevertheless last time I checked it wasn't part of a bus drivers job description to challenge those not wearing a mask and refuse to allow them to board the bus.

All this arguing over masks
What a bloody shame we didn't do what Australia and New Zealand did. Used our island advantage. We'd have no need for masks by now.

@Underhisi
I've read a couple of articles reporting violent responses from mask-less youngish men. One wasn't even challenged. He attacked an (older male) NHS worker, who moved away from him on the bus. The poor NHS worker didn't even say anything.

Fuck off op and learn about the efficacy of masks which is basically, in the real world, fuck all. Hence multiple govts including swedes, Norway, any number of others, not recommending wearing them.

Who is talking about parents as a homogenous mass?

[quote HeIenaDove]@ChardonnaysPetDragon The poster was talking about disabled ppl like they are one big homogenous mass. I was pointing out no one would get away with applying the same thinking to parents. [/quote]
I agree it's wrong. Disabled people are not all the same. That's why I feel it's so very wrong when some people (not you) talk about mask exemptions as if all disabled people can't or won't wear one. When the reality is more disabled can than can't - and actually need the protection more than anyone else.

Fuck off op and learn about the efficacy of masks which is basically, in the real world, fuck all. Hence multiple govts including swedes, Norway, any number of others, not recommending wearing them.

Ah, the blessed shining light of the Swedish way.

Why don't look up the way Sweden is different to us, before comparing apples and oranges.

Just respect the person sitting next to you on the tube and wear your fucking mask to protect them. You don't have to like it.

I think it's fine to vent on here about seemingly young, fit people who choose not to wear a mask, and compare notes about the selfishness of people who could wear a mask but choose not to. I don't think it's a good idea to challenge them in person, as a) they might have a hidden disability/mental health issue that makes wearing a mask difficult for them, and b) the ones who are just being selfish won't change until the virus affects them directly, and might even be aggressive.

I do sympathise with people who genuinely can't cope with wearing masks, and would never want to make them feel bad. I like the approach taken by some shops, where they announce "Please wear a mask if possible. Thank you for wearing a mask, if you are able to." I hope we don't see fights breaking out in public over this, things are bad enough without that.

@BrazenlyDefying

reported.

On grounds of the OP being disablist. And a total shit.

Or do you mean reported because this thread points out that, as @HelenaDove says, disabled people are not one homogeneous group.

I do hope this newfound concern for disabled people means they'll no longer be left in deprivation because of benefit sanctions or being found 'fit for work' two months before dying. Let's hope so!

Fuck off op and learn about the efficacy of masks which is basically, in the real world, fuck all.

Perhaps we should all just stop wearing masks on public transport then? What a prize prat

www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

So useless that even a quick Google brings up their worth.

@BrazenlyDefying WTF? Have you even read my clarifying post? Honestly I despair

This is the weirdest thread.

@Defenbaker
Absolutely right. This thread is the ideal safe outlet for OP or any other concerned poster (including anyone with disabling anxiety) to vent and debate, rather than confronting someone in RL who might have a genuine reason - or might not but could have a violent response. It's been a very good chance to highlight the fact that disabled people are not one homogeneous group. However, It would be nice if posters stopped telling other posters to fuck off or calling them shits.

People who can't wear a mask should wear a vizor. In other countries no exemptions are made you wear a mask or if caught without one get a fine.

I agree no mask or vizor no journey on public transport.

I feel sorry for drivers. If they refuse people without masks to get on bus they get attacked.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon The poster was talking about disabled ppl like they are one big homogenous mass. I was pointing out no one would get away with applying the same thinking to parents. hmm

You can highlight this without having at dig at some other group, parents in this case.

Caring I'll say it nicely before the mob wade in and tear you apart. Visors don't work.., proven scientific fact.

Howe et you will now be accused of being disablist or ablist, told to fuck off, and various other lovely things by the mask police (as in the how dare you talk about masks police). Visors are a particular pet hate. you'll be needed these.

I do think we should, as a country, be trying to enforce mask wearing far more strictly. It's absolute nonsense that 30% of people can't wear a mask. I have severe asthma. A mask makes absolutely no difference to my ability to breathe. I might have to temporarily take it off if I'm having an asthma attack and need to take my inhalers but otherwise I wear one like everybody else.
A close relative has such severe breathing problems that they have to use oxygen 24/7 and they can wear a mask too.
I can completely understand that some people with ASD or very specific kinds of trauma/abuse may not be able to tolerate them.
I do think some kind of exemption card should be considered. Far from being ableist, surely it would help to protect disabled people. If you have a card to show you are exempt it takes a second to flash it at the driver on the way onto the bus - much faster and less intrusive than being quizzed by the driver or other passengers. It would be no harder to remember than a mask or a bus pass. But also, people most at risk from non-mask wearers are other non-mask wearers. If disabled people have an exemption card it is much easier to catch and turn away people who should be wearing one, which protects the genuine cases.

"People who can't wear a mask should wear a vizor. In other countries no exemptions are made you wear a mask or if caught without one get a fine."

Other countries do have exemptions and some people can't wear a visor.

Visors have been shown to be ineffective if your aim is to protect others. They aren’t allowed as an alternative in Scotland iirc

Unfortunately there is no way to reconcile those who are distressed to see others not wearing masks with those who cannot wear masks, but forcing those who cannot wear masks to stay away from public areas is not the answer. Either way sarcastic posts from those who live in places where inability to wear masks is not tolerated just make me glad I don’t live in those places