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People STILL not wearing masks on London buses

579 replies

custard6543 · 27/09/2020 14:09

I had to take a journey by bus earlier. There were about 10 people on the bus, three of whom were not wearing masks. Drivers need to stop letting people on without masks - these selfish passengers are putting everyone else’s lives at risk! Sad

OP posts:
TinySleepThief · 27/09/2020 16:32

"OP thinks that people that are exempt should not be on the bus" Oh, are you a mind-reader now? OP did not say that people that are exempt should not be allowed on the bus. You are quite clearly twisting OPs words and putting words into their mouth .. that is really unfair.

Im honestly not twisting any words. The OP said:
Drivers need to stop letting people on without masks
Now I might be thick but how does people without masks on not also include exempt people who are not wearing masks. Confused

Defenbaker · 27/09/2020 16:32

It's usually men who don't wear masks, often young men, from what I've seen. I think that it's unlikely they are all exempt, so they are just being selfish/careless.

It's annoying but the bus drivers have a hard enough job without challenging everyone who flouts the rules. Also, many of these people will wear the mask when getting on the bus, then sit at the back and take it off, so the driver won't easily spot them.

Just do what you can to stay safe OP, it's not worth wasting your energy on. Some of these selfish types wil only learn the hard way, when they become very ill themselves, or someone close to them dies.

Theworldisfullofgs · 27/09/2020 16:34

LindaEllen you are wonderful and thank you.

The aggression on this thread is quite frankly frightening. Countries who have taken a collectivist and rule following approach have done better.

This country is a mess because we make it difficult to talk about difficult things.

Theworldisfullofgs · 27/09/2020 16:36

LangClegsInSpace

How do you know they aren't?

Just like you don't know that everyone who doesn't wear a mask is exempt.

Char2015 · 27/09/2020 16:36

@LangClegsInSpace

I am exempt and do not need to wear a mask. However, I DO wear one

You're not exempt then are you?

My kids are exempt (aged 4 and 8), yet they choose to wear them, still makes them exempt.

I am exempt, yet I still choose to wear one, with difficulty, but would much rather wear one than to not to. I'm still classed as exempt should I choose not to wear one in the future.

LangClegsInSpace · 27/09/2020 16:38

Because you're exempt if you cannot put on, wear or remove a mask. If you can then you are not exempt.

LangClegsInSpace · 27/09/2020 16:40

What exemption do you think you have Char2015? Here they are:

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/4

HeresMe · 27/09/2020 16:41

No mask, no service, the end.

No blacks, no jews, no dogs maybe

Char2015 · 27/09/2020 16:43

[quote LangClegsInSpace]What exemption do you think you have Char2015? Here they are:

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/4[/quote]
I am exempt as I fall under category A.

Theworldisfullofgs · 27/09/2020 16:44

This thread has now got really pathetic.

The level of aggression is just ridiculous.

Theworldisfullofgs · 27/09/2020 16:45

Do you all behave like this in real life or just when anonymous?

LangClegsInSpace · 27/09/2020 16:46

You cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering? But you said you do wear one.

How can you wear one if you can't wear one? Confused

TinySleepThief · 27/09/2020 16:47

@Theworldisfullofgs

Do you all behave like this in real life or just when anonymous?
Do I stand up for the rights of those with disabilities and speak up to prevent the erosion of those rights in real life... You bet I do, and I would bloody hope most people would do the same
Theworldisfullofgs · 27/09/2020 16:49

There are ways of doing it. The level of aggression would mean that most people won't listen.

Char2015 · 27/09/2020 16:50

@LangClegsInSpace

You cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering? But you said you do wear one.

How can you wear one if you can't wear one? Confused

Really.... read the link you sent again. That should answer your own question.
MaxinesTaxi · 27/09/2020 16:51

The level of aggression towards those who cannot wear masks has been extraordinary on here and in RL. I charitably try to think it’s because people are scared rather than because they are arseholes

MaxinesTaxi · 27/09/2020 16:52

I can’t believe people are still trotting out the “if you don’t like a mask you won’t like a ventilator” nonsense

Youngatheart00 · 27/09/2020 16:53

Society really is breaking down isn’t it.

HeIenaDove · 27/09/2020 16:53

This thread is already going the same way all threads on this topic go. It's sickening

Its what started me posting on the AD threads.

Nacreous · 27/09/2020 16:54

Isn't the point that say you're like me (you have moderate asthma that's moderately well controlled but variable) you can wear a mask for a short period of time, on a day when your asthma isn't too bad, and it might impede your breathing but you can cope for a little while, but maybe you can't wear it for a whole bus journey or whatever.

I can wear a mask sometimes but not others. And it ultimately depends on the definition of the word "can" - I find not being able to breathe extremely unpleasant and I don't like deliberately doing things that cause me to need my reliever inhaler because one day I might not be lucky enough for it to sort things out, but obviously it probably won't kill me so maybe I "can"?

Anyway I don't wear a lanyard and it is bloody irritating hearing people go on about how awful you are (which has happened).

Jaxhog · 27/09/2020 16:54

Do you really think your life has been put at risk because three people on your bus weren't wearing masks?

How do you know? Someone selfish enough to not wear a mask is selfish enough not to self isolate.

LangClegsInSpace · 27/09/2020 16:56

If you can find 'ways of doing it' (aside from things like wearing it on your chin or dangling from an ear) then you are not exempt.

The reason this is important is that every time someone pops up and says, 'I'm exempt but I choose to wear one,' it makes others think that people who are actually exempt could wear one really, they're just not trying hard enough.

HeIenaDove · 27/09/2020 16:56

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-54283453

Asda mask row: Man with dementia 'told to leave shop'
By Greig Watson

A woman has said she was shocked at being told to leave an Asda supermarket because her partner, who has dementia, was not wearing a mask.
Amanda Jeffrey said she was immediately challenged when the couple went into her local branch.
Staff refused to accept a "hidden disability" card carried by the couple and ordered them out of the shop.
Asda has apologised to the couple and promised they will not be challenged again.

Asda recently announced it would enforce rules on face coverings more strictly.
Mrs Jeffrey said she went into her local branch in Arnold, Nottinghamshire, on Thursday morning with her partner, Aubrey Green.
She said: "I've been getting treatment for cancer and Aubrey was diagnosed with dementia last year, so I've been sheltering.
"But we have been out a few times and not had a problem before.
"But as soon as we went through the doors a member of staff shouted over: 'Why aren't you wearing a mask?

"I was so surprised I thought they were talking to someone else.
"Once I realised it was us I said we had a hidden disability card but they said that wasn't accepted and I needed a letter from the GP.
"And all this was shouted over us, not discussed with a bit of basic courtesy".
Latest news and stories from the East Midlands
The couple left but Mrs Jeffrey said their treatment had a disturbing effect.
"I was shocked but Aubrey was left confused and agitated.
"He couldn't understand what we had done wrong and was really upset."
In a statement Asda said its staff "are fully trained to follow the latest government guidance".
"[They] will politely ask all customers to wear a face covering, unless they have a reason not to," a spokesman said.
"Clearly we got it wrong on this occasion and we have spoken to Ms Jeffrey to apologise for her experience.

HeIenaDove · 27/09/2020 16:58

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/shoppers-plea-heart-after-screaming-18956448

Shopper's plea from the heart after screaming face mask row in Sainsbury’s
"I don’t wear a mask for a reason, you don’t know my reason, so maybe think before you have a go"

A woman has apologised and asked for understanding after swearing at another shopper who had a go at her for not wearing a face mask in a Sainsbury’s.

Alice Speller, who has complex post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and a possible borderline personality disorder, took to social media to apologise for her angry outburst. But she also asked for others to be more understanding of those who are exempt from wearing face masks.

Alice, who visited the store with her husband Terry, wrote: “I went to our local Sainsbury’s today, it’s not easy for me to do this, anxiety is high for me, just the mere thought of having to go.

"Fear of judgement from others, as I cannot wear a mask, my husband has to take a good while reassuring me, convincing me I will be fine. Walking into store, I try and focus on getting through the shop with no major issues.

“I hear over the tannoy kind words stating be aware that not all can wear masks, to be kind, etc. Finally some consideration to those who do have issues, whether it’s mental health or others.”

Alice sneezed twice into the arm of her coat while in the store, Cornwall Live reports.
She added: “Finishing up the shopping, heading to the checkout, paying for the items, I turn to see a furious face inches from mine. My anxiety kicks in, too close, I don’t do people too close, my heart skips a beat, as she yells in my face: ‘If you can’t be bothered to wear a mask at least cover your mouth with a hanky when you sneeze.’

“I reply I had used my sleeve and hand, my coat was slightly damp, she shouted: ‘No you didn’t and not to be so rude.’ She uttered other words, but I couldn’t hear,

“My fight mode kicked in, I shouted back, I felt a panic attack kicking in, I screamed at her to not judge when she doesn’t know me, as she walked away her head held high, as people stopped and stared, as the tears started to run down my face, I hope whoever you are, that you are proud of your two minutes of shouting into a woman’s face, not knowing her.

“Kind words would have gone much further, but instead you went into full attack. Maybe Covid scares you, maybe you have been affected by it, but that still gives you no right to scream at another so close, but you obviously can’t be too worried, as you were so close, the two metre rule didn’t exist, your mask wasn’t fully up either.

I don’t wear a mask for a reason, you don’t know my reason, so maybe think before you have a go, If you had walked over to me, and said kindly, I saw you sneeze and you didn’t see you use a hanky, is everything OK, etc, we could have had a chat, but you didn’t.”

Alice, from Bodmin, said: “My husband has since spoken to the store, to apologise for my outburst, wanted to make it known that I know I was wrong and to say sorry, but they didn’t care for that, all they cared for was whether I was OK.

“I’m fine, but I’m not OK.”

Terry told Cornwall Live after the incident: “We have decided to speak out to help other people who are suffering.

“We understand the rules and how things are. I wear a mask when we’re out, and if I see a family and one of them isn’t wearing a mask, I automatically assume there is a reason.

“I don’t judge and I wouldn’t want anyone judging my wife.”

He added that even leaving the house is a struggle for Alice. She can only manage it if she is accompanied by Terry or one of their four children.

“Going into a supermarket heightens her anxiety as she has a fear of being in big groups of people. So she was already on edge. If this woman had an issue, she could have just said, ‘excuse me, can I have a word?’ but she was instantly in her face and Alice’s anxiety went through the roof.

“All the attention and focus on my wife led to a panic attack and she did react and swear at the woman.”

Terry said that the store was very appreciative and supportive when he apologised for the incident.

“She was embarrassed and it’s made her more cautious to go out.
He stressed that others should consider that some people may have endured traumatic incidents where their faces have been covered, meaning wearing a face mask or shield can bring on negative feelings.
Following the incident on Tuesday, Alice took to Facebook to apologise to the woman she shouted at.

“This morning I had a public outburst and I wish to apologise to anyone who witnessed it. I don’t feel proud of what I did, but sometimes you simply cannot control a reaction to a situation.
If the lady who approached me is on social media, or if anyone knows her, as I am sure she may mention to someone about a crazy lady screaming at her, please can she read this [Alice’s explanation as featured above].”

A Sainsbury’s spokesperson said: “We are asking everyone to continue playing their part in helping us to keep everyone safe in our stores. Posters are displayed inside and outside our stores and there are regular tannoy announcements asking customers to wear face coverings but also be considerate of those who may not be able to wear one.”

MaxinesTaxi · 27/09/2020 16:59

“ How do you know? Someone selfish enough to not wear a mask is selfish enough not to self isolate.”

How do you know that?