The doctors are all being paid to say the diagnosis is covid - it doesn't exist

[treebarking]

This is what I heard when I turned on the news just a minute ago...by demonstrators in London today...I'm actually really shocked. Do people really think this?? There were A LOT of people at the demonstration...

@Serin
How do you plan to treat non Covid patients if Covid isn't contained? How will you manage when hospital beds are full of Covid patients and lots of you are off sick, potentially for months?

The need to run normal non-Covid medical care is precisely one major reason why we need to get on top of Covid.

Australia and New Zealand used their island advantage. Closed borders (with proper quarantine for essential travel like freight and asylum). Consequently they can treat and care for non Covid patients.

The stupidest in society were at this protest today. Dangerous fuckers, the lot of them

@ButteryPuffin

Always handy when a poster uses the term 'sheeple' as you know then they're a complete idiot.

What I love is the people who all use the word 'sheeple' all think they are really free-thinking, original minds!

Not thinking the sacrifices are proportional to the fatality rate is very different from believing its not true. I'm not stupid for believing the former. There are questions to be asked about the price we are paying and whether it will even result in fewer deaths in the long run - quite apart from the questions of personal freedom ( which are always a bit challenging in an infectious disease scenario). The kantian definition of the enlightenment is a phrase that often crosses my mind at the moment, given the apparent problem we suddenly have with people making their own mind up.
Aufklärung ist der Ausgang des Einzelnen aus seiner selbstverschuldeten Unmündigkeit. Unmündigkeit ist das Unvermögen, sich seines Verstandes ohne Leitung eines Anderen zu bedienen.

I believe @mintychoc1
I know of a friend who died of a heart problem but it got put down as covid.

I think the other thing the 'anti covid' troops are forgetting is that other than potentially killing the vulnerable, it also has long term serious affects in anyone that survives it. So they themselves are at risk.

My key question is this:

A conspiracy between who? Against who?

This isn’t an English / UK specific issue. People keep saying ‘the government want you to think... ‘ What, all governments in the world? To what end? Or just our government, and all other news is made up?

@RepeatSwan Yes, don't they just!

@redbushtea

I believe *@mintychoc1* I know of a friend who died of a heart problem but it got put down as covid.

Covid causes heart problems.

@Roowig2020

Covid deaths are exaggerated, I work for the nhs and have colleagues who work on oncology wards who have told me that patients are being listed as Covid deaths if, they had tested positive for Covid at the time of death or anytime in the past, even if they'd died of an unrelated cause like cancer.

If they tested positive for Covid at the time of death, or not long before, what's to say it wasn't covid that killed them? People with underlying health conditions, like cancer which would weaken your immune system are more at risk of death from covid.

@Sarahpaula

Look at all the sheeple on here. I am always shocked that people think that government's have their best interests at heart.

The Nazis were a legal government. Governmenta are usually just a group of corrupt bullies.

Just think about it for one moment. How could YOU control the population of an entire country? Telling people that there is a virus, and that they must follow these controlling restrictions, or they will die, would be a very effective way to control the masses, wouldn't it.

@Sarahpaula what, and ALL the world's governments have agreed to do this in co-ordinated fashion?

@JKRowlingIsMyQueen

I was there. No, I don't believe corona doesn't exist, what I believe is that the measurements combating corona will end up doing more damage such as pushing people into poverty, mental health damage, cancer deaths etc. There was thousands of people there so I can't say what all of them think obviously, but of course journalists will choose the most out there interviews to air on TV.

So how do you think the NHS should be handling it? With infection rates doubling every few days, we'll be seeing hospital admissions rising to match. The percentage of hospitalisation (and deaths) may be less than March-June sure to increased testing and lower viral-load from mask wearing; but there'll still be a rise.

How would you @JKRowlingIsMyQueen have the NHS, the government, the country, respond to this inevitable and exponential increase?

@SpecialWGM

I think the other thing the 'anti covid' troops are forgetting is that other than potentially killing the vulnerable, it also has long term serious affects in anyone that survives it. So they themselves are at risk.

Yes. They risk becoming overnight a member of the Others aka The Vulnerable.

And yes @BarbarAnna is right. This isn't a white European issue only (except perhaps the lack of restrictions). It's a global pandemic.

@SheepandCow

Stupid that they are, you can sort of understand why they might believe the far right conspiracy theories

I can never understand why this is referred to as "far right". Conspiracy theory, sure. But why does this have a wing? I thought Corbyn's brother was a key figure, and I'm pretty sure we couldn't consider him far right.

There's probably something to this conspiracy. Every time I see Boris, he's got the demeanor of a man who's really enjoying life, for whom everything is going to plan.

The worst effect of covid is that too many hard of thinking people prone to denial and an inflated sense of their own intelligence have had far too much time on their hands.

These protests are dangerous and ridiculous, yet you can still have them. If the state or lizards were implementing a new world order to control you you’d be dead or in the gulag before your sharpie had dried on your deranged protest sign. Check out Hong Kong ffs.

We were a controlled and profitable population before covid struck, quite happy being fat docile little wage slaves in return for trinkets and the odd crumb of solvency that we could get our hands on. Bullshit we’re easier to control as a scared bored society throwing tantrums because we want to do whatever the hell we like. The only reason the government are obliged to try and protect us from ourselves is because if we crack so does their profit margin.

Attention seeking spoilt muppets.

@Noncis, I wonder this too. I'm guessing it's because David Icke has been described as an anti-semite when I believe he is actually totally mad, not far right. As far as I know, the far right don't believe the Queen is a lizard. Most anti-semitism these days seems to come from the left anyway, look at Corbyn's Labour Party.

I don't know @NonCis
Piers Corbyn seems to regularly associate with the far right. It suggests a lot about his own leanings.

"Lovemusic33

I don’t think people should be calling the protesters “stupid”, everyone has a right to an opinion even if it doesn’t make sense to others."

Yes you've a right to your own opinion, but all that means is you're giving other people the opportunity to see for themselves how deeply fuckwitted that opinion may be.

Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences, the consequences may include people pointing out that your facts are false or your conclusions moronic.

HTH

@Cornettoninja

The worst effect of covid is that too many hard of thinking people prone to denial and an inflated sense of their own intelligence have had far too much time on their hands.

These protests are dangerous and ridiculous, yet you can still have them. If the state or lizards were implementing a new world order to control you you’d be dead or in the gulag before your sharpie had dried on your deranged protest sign. Check out Hong Kong ffs.

We were a controlled and profitable population before covid struck, quite happy being fat docile little wage slaves in return for trinkets and the odd crumb of solvency that we could get our hands on. Bullshit we’re easier to control as a scared bored society throwing tantrums because we want to do whatever the hell we like. The only reason the government are obliged to try and protect us from ourselves is because if we crack so does their profit margin.

Attention seeking spoilt muppets.

This.

A happy, solvent, well fed and prosperous society is far easier to control.

Bread and circuses.

[quote NonCis]@SheepandCow

Stupid that they are, you can sort of understand why they might believe the far right conspiracy theories

I can never understand why this is referred to as "far right". Conspiracy theory, sure. But why does this have a wing? I thought Corbyn's brother was a key figure, and I'm pretty sure we couldn't consider him far right.[/quote]
They’re so far right they’ve circled back through the left?

It’s another Americanism from I can tell where it’s usually true and liberalism a dirty word that implies control i.e considering the effect of your actions on others.

@PermanentMarkerSniffer

There's probably something to this conspiracy. Every time I see Boris, he's got the demeanor of a man who's really enjoying life, for whom everything is going to plan.

He's been pretty bloody useless with handling Covid, but he certainly doesn't look too happy. He looks extremely stressed. I noticed the enormous bags under his eyes when he spoke to the nation in the week. Matt Hancock too. He always looks on the verge of a breakdown.

Incompetent and negligent, yes. Enjoying it, no.

@Cornettoninja very good post. You explain it well.

Thanks @sheepandcow - it was very cathartic

@Ophelia2020

Was Ferguson there? He certainly likes his theories.

[Imperial College epidemiologist Neil] Ferguson was behind the disputed research that sparked the mass culling of eleven million sheep and cattle during the 2001 outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease.
He also predicted that up to 150,000 people could die. There were fewer than 200 deaths. . . .

In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. In the U.K., there were only 177 deaths from BSE.

In 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be killed from bird flu. In the end, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009.

In 2009, a government estimate, based on Ferguson’s advice, said a “reasonable worst-case scenario” was that the swine flu would lead to 65,000 British deaths. In the end, swine flu killed 457 people in the U.K.

Last March, Ferguson admitted that his Imperial College model of the COVID-19 disease was based on undocumented, 13-year-old computer code that was intended to be used for a feared influenza pandemic, rather than a coronavirus. Ferguson declined to release his original code so other scientists could check his results. He only released a heavily revised set of code last week, after a six-week delay.

So the real scandal is: Why did anyone ever listen to this guy?

Oh do grow up. What would any world govt gain by imposing lockdowns?