The doctors are all being paid to say the diagnosis is covid - it doesn't exist

[treebarking]

This is what I heard when I turned on the news just a minute ago...by demonstrators in London today...I'm actually really shocked. Do people really think this?? There were A LOT of people at the demonstration...

@raddledoldmisanthropist

They are supporters of the Magna Carta.

So they support the divine right of kinds, but want to limit the fees payable on estate inheritance, institute and advisory council of Barons and reduce the size of the royal forests?

Each to their own, I suppose.

Ha!

I was there. No, I don't believe corona doesn't exist

The promo for this protest says "measures against something which does not exist must end."

So why attend a protest which clearly claims the virus does not exist?

[quote Sarahpaula]@TrustTheGeneGenie my mother was refused health care for a serious liver condition, because they were "only treating coronavirus in the hospital at that time".

That is putting vulnerable people at risk.

I was raped during lockdown, and my doctor would not give me an STI test, because the virus testing centres in Ireland - were "only testing for coronavirus at that time".

That is two examples of putting vulnerable people at risk.[/quote]
Sorry how have the protesters caused that?

I agree that both of those things are horrific and I'm very sorry that you experienced that. It's awful.

Dame I strongly agree people need to eat and I'd support a social reset for the right reasons.

Perhaps we should start now and ask why this doesn't seem newsworthy.

www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/locusts-africa-hunger-famine-covid-19/

@Ophelia2020 do you genuinely believe that this virus/situation is NOT an opportunity for the world to take stock of where we are and try to work towards a more sustainable future??

[quote Sarahpaula]@TrustTheGeneGenie my mother was refused health care for a serious liver condition, because they were "only treating coronavirus in the hospital at that time".

That is putting vulnerable people at risk.

I was raped during lockdown, and my doctor would not give me an STI test, because the virus testing centres in Ireland - were "only testing for coronavirus at that time".

That is two examples of putting vulnerable people at risk.[/quote]
This sounds traumatic but it’s the virus that is putting people at risk, and the healthcare resources. Not any policy or lockdown. You should hear some of the stories from Sweden, for example one pregnant woman who had no midwifery care and became seriously ill because of lack of monitoring, because the midwives were sick, staff did not have PPE and were dropping like flies.

Only absolute imbeciles would be so stupidly naive to think such an absurdity. Send them onto a covid ward for a few days with some lemsip and see how they get on. 🤬🤬🤬😡😡🤯

@TrustTheGeneGenie sorry, I may have got confused in what we are talking about.

I thought that we were talking about - what the protesters were protesting about. Which is that people are being treated badly by the government right not, not being able to access health services etc

[quote Sarahpaula]@TrustTheGeneGenie sorry, I may have got confused in what we are talking about.

I thought that we were talking about - what the protesters were protesting about. Which is that people are being treated badly by the government right not, not being able to access health services etc[/quote]
No, the opposite. I very much agree with you

@Sarahpaula
I'm really sorry to hear what's happened with your mother and to you. I don't know the rules and policies in Ireland. I'm shocked there's no sti testing available particularly for rape victims. Very glad that's not the case here in the UK.

It's so important we contain Covid so that hospitals have the staff and capacity to treat non Covid conditions. That's why I favour an Australian and New Zealand approach. The very worse thing to do, of course, is what happened today in London. Mass mask-less gathering. We really don't need things like that risking increasing the spread, making everything worse and delaying the chances of a return to normal hospital operations.

I'm also not sure how today's mass gathering in London will change the guidance in Ireland - a separate country?

The crank a few doors down things it's all a hoax but it really doesn't surprise me, because well he is a crank

It's so important we contain Covid so that hospitals have the staff and capacity to treat non Covid conditions

But we have and they have but they're not. So what now?

Because terrible things happening in Africa are never a news priority over here, especially when our spaffing of carbon contributes to the underlying instability across much of the continent. The billionaires that control most of the papers and broadcast media over here have no interest in that Ophelia - it might make people feel more charitable towards refugees.

Can't these protestors arrange virtual gatherings instead? All these whiners prattling on about free speech can do so from their bedrooms using their keyboards.

Reported that dangerous misinformation @Orange89 you absolute wackjob

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Not much of a tourist industry when half the destinations have entrance, travel, or internal restrictions

No. I mean people visiting new Zealand. As tourists. Obviously.

People in New Zealand will lose their jobs because the tourism industry has shut up shop.

The thing about "temporary" though. Well we don't have an end date. We cannot confirm it will be temporary. We can't confirm this will ever go away.

It's not just New Zealand barring entry to the UK (and other high risk countries). New Zealand has barred entry to everywhere (excepting essential travel like food imports) but other countries are increasingly barring entrance to badly infected countries. There was a thread on here yesterday from someone who booked a holiday to Denmark, who've added us to their banned entry list. The poster can't get a refund on her flight because the airline is still planning to fly there (she'll just have to get straight back on a plane home).

Also what would you choose. International travel (to the places where we're allowed in, but still may have their own internal restrictions so hardly a holiday), or fully functional hospitals including cancer and mental health treatments, schools, pubs, restaurants, bars, offices, sporting and music events? New Zealand chose to latter.

@SheepandCow I don't think you understand what I mean.

@Ophelia2020 do you genuinely believe that this virus/situation is NOT an opportunity for the world to take stock of where we are and try to work towards a more sustainable future??

I think it could be a good opportunity yes. There's certainly a lot of things I'd like to see change.

However, I'm very concerned that this plan has been in the pipeline for many years. I've read extensively about this and it's unsettling to see unelected people excitedly refer to the pandemic as a golden opportunity. Who are these people making global decisions? Why was there no discussion or vote? How will this affect us?

www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/great-reset-launch-prince-charles-guterres-georgieva-burrow/

www.skynews.com.au/details/_6178243325001

I’m really struggling with the Covid protests, I’ve tried to be balanced but I can’t see any evidence to suggest this is in any way a conspiracy. Our government aren’t exactly covering themselves in glory are they?

I get that it’s shit, we are restricted in almost every aspects of our lives and have an incompetent government leading us (and that’s being kind) who are making this an awful lot worse than it needs to be by trying to profit off a pandemic and not establishing the network of testing and tracing required to protect us.

But do these protesters know what Covid can and will do? I have friends and family who work for the NHS and they aren’t paid off or signing non disclaimers about Covid; but they are bloody scared and rightly so. Flu + Covid is not a pretty picture. That’s aside from the morality of sacrificing our vulnerable and elderly, long Covid etc.

I agree with other posters, it must be a coping mechanism. I truly can’t comprehend the utter selfishness of these protests if it isn’t.

I wish we could focus on holding our leaders to account rather than arguing about a ‘fake’ virus. It’s a distraction I the government may enjoy to take the heat off them for a while...

They're not making decisions though, they're making proposals - which may or may not get acted upon, and which may or may not feed the manifestos of politicians and parties seeking election

I work in a lab which tests for Covid (and understand the science involved, which is sound).

My aunt (among others) thinks it doesn't exist and is always on FaceBook saying so.

Obviously thinks I'm being paid off by the government too (with my Band 6 NHS salary, which is barely more than it was 8 years ago, and allegedly due to be frozen again next year).

We have got to the point of barely talking, and any respect I have for her is gone - I used to think she was a reasonably intelligent (if slightly odd) person.

I'm sure all the nurses on the Covid wards are pleased to hear that they're there just putting their feet up doing nothing too!

What gets me is that this comes from people who are making no meaningful positive contribution to society themselves, and live in big houses outside the cities. Because someone has said that they shouldn't do exactly what they want when they want to - for the general good - they're shouting conspiracy from the rooftops.

That's not to say that I don't have a lot of sympathy with patients waiting for diagnosis and treatment, it's just a dreadful situation.

I wonder if the protesters realise that their actions have propelled us closer to another lockdown. 🤦🏻‍♀️

And of course Sky news is going to frame it as terrifying - fear sells, and Murdoch wants to keep selling

@SheepandCow you said "i am not sure how today's mass gathering in London will affect change in Ireland."

Many people move betweeen the UK and Ireland. There is a free travel agreement between the countries. So even after Brexit, anyone who was born in Ireland can go and live in the UK if they want.

We do have a connection between the isles.

I was born in England, and I have lived in England, Scotland and in Ireland, at various times in my life. Most recently, I have lived in Ireland, but I will probably move back over to the UK next year.