The doctors are all being paid to say the diagnosis is covid - it doesn't exist

[treebarking]

This is what I heard when I turned on the news just a minute ago...by demonstrators in London today...I'm actually really shocked. Do people really think this?? There were A LOT of people at the demonstration...

@SheepandCow no Biggie? You think no tourism for new Zealand for potentially two years is "no Biggie" wow. Just ... Wow.

@Ophelia2020 so this is from the Santander link, one proposed basis for a new social contract, and I'm all for it.

They're not saying the lizards will ascend

And yes, we need a new economy. We need to reduce inequality. We need for people to be able to live and eat even if they haven't got a job. We need to not be filling the earth with plastic and the air with pollution. We need to halt and mitigate climate change, and none of this can happen under our current klepto-capitalist economy.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Does covid not strike when the cause is a good one as opposed to a bad one ?

I don't remember an uptick in infections or deaths from those protests. I don't know why these protests would be any different.

If you look back in the thread i said exactly the same, but got jumped on with the BLM protesters wore masks and it was warmer then so it's OK

[quote TrustTheGeneGenie]@SheepandCow no Biggie? You think no tourism for new Zealand for potentially two years is "no Biggie" wow. Just ... Wow.[/quote]
Ok so the economy falls apart, we can't have routine medical treatment for cancer and mental ill health, schools can't operate normally, offices closed, bars, restaurants, and pubs restricted or closed, no spectator sports or theatre or music events, lots of unavoidable untimely deaths, a sizeable percentage of the working age population (many previously young and healthy) unable to work for months.

But no worries because we can get on a plane and travel abroad...except that we can't because increasing numbers of countries will place us on the No Entry list.
Excellent.

@Orange89 doctors used to get a fee for filling in death certificates, I expect that's still in force. Where's your evidence that there's extra money if they say covid? Sounds like bollocks to me

[quote TrustTheGeneGenie]@SheepandCow no Biggie? You think no tourism for new Zealand for potentially two years is "no Biggie" wow. Just ... Wow.[/quote]
And if the travel industry wants to recover, they're better off supporting measures that help contain Covid. Had every country done the same as Australia and New Zealand, it would all be back to normal by now.

But the lack of tourism is going to aid in the economy falling apart? I'm not saying it's most important that people get a sunny break ffs. Tourism is an enormous part of their economy and you're incredibly naive if you thinking essentially stopping that for two years won't have a massive impact!

Had every country done the same as Australia and New Zealand, it would all be back to normal by now

Haha. Course it would.

@Orange89, I’ve never met anyone from Hawaii - therefore Hawaii doesn’t exist.

@sarahpaula optimism is great, all for it, except when it’s deluded. I’ll not partake of whatever you’ve been sucked into thanks, taking a punt on the hope evolution has taken place over the chance of a despot taking power seems like bad odds to me.

DameFanny I didn't ask her to provide evidence funnily enough.

Where's the evidence people have died of covid not WITH it.

There are many examples and I'm NOT saying the virus doesn't exist but you have to question is there a hidden agender when you become aware of what's going on.

I've changed my view on it over the 6 months that's all. Things just don't add up

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Personally, I'd temporarily ban any mass gathering under these extraordinary circumstances of a pandemic, but there were differences

Yeah I bet you would.

Everyone has a right to protest. It's vile to even consider banning it. You may as well ban free speech and freedom to information whilst you're at it.

No comparison. Temporarily banning mass gatherings during the extraordinary circumstances of a pandemic is not in any way comparable to banning free speech or freedom of information.

Some might say it's vile to intentionally put others, including many vulnerable people, at unnecessary risk. They feel the right to life and protecting the economy takes precedence. Different opinions. That's freedom of speech for you.

Looking for that agenda, BRB

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Had every country done the same as Australia and New Zealand, it would all be back to normal by now

Haha. Course it would.

Why wouldn't it be?

I've changed my view on it over the 6 months that's all. Things just don't add up

Which is your right but don’t forget sometimes things don’t add up just because we don’t understand them. We’ve all got limitations.

You’ve gathered your evidence from other sources, like most of us do, so you’re putting an awful lot of trust in other peoples intelligence and I would argue you’re betting much higher stakes than a moderate view. I wouldn’t be comfortable with that if I was wrong.

[quote Sarahpaula]@BarbarAnna to have total control over the masses!

It is so obvious.

As I said , we only have ourselves to blame.

Having governments at all is the most ridiculous system.

Yet, we keep on voting for people to have total power over us. And for them to make every single decision that affects our lives.[/quote]
I think the tin foil is on offer in Tesco. Funny how people like you call others sheeple, there's whole raft of you similar "thinkers".... I dont think 1 person I know thinks the government are doing a good job during any of this (and none of us voted Tory!) but we do believe that there is a virus and this isn't a hoax.

A few weeks ago I read on here about parents who believe schools are going to vaccinate their children with the corona vaccine (even though it doesn't even actually exist yet and when do teachers vaccinate children in England!) Couldn't believe anyone would think that, but as a school governor we are now getting parents contacting the schools panicking that this is going to happen. I assume there were people spouting this crap at the protest today.

They're not saying the lizards will ascend hmm

I didn't mention lizards.

Perhaps you should look at the world economic forum also and the international monetary union.

Dont you think it's newsworthy that there is going to be a global reset? I certainly do. You might find this interesting ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/strategies/2030_en

I'm all for saving whales and cleaner oceans but I don't see how it's going to be possible to be carbon emission free by 2030. Unless we agree with the Wef to carry on living as though we're in lockdown.

Is it a climate emergency? Or an oil emergency?

Why wouldn't it be?

How would it be?!

With people like this if i could i would say 'other than reading it on the internet, what actual proof do you have? Where is the evidence?'

Some might say it's vile to intentionally put others, including many vulnerable people, at unnecessary risk

How exactly?

Please watch The Social Media.

Interesting watch - we should be wary of the sources of information that get more extreme by the algorithms from social media. They just give us more of what we want. And then we think everyone is seeing and believing the same thing. Facts become twisted and conspiracy theories grow.

I’m from a robust scientific background and so know my way around most evidence and information, and critically analysing is part of my job. There is a pandemic and there is no conspiracy. However the polarising of views is a worry, and the confusing and non evidence based information out there seems to have a life of it’s own.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

But the lack of tourism is going to aid in the economy falling apart? I'm not saying it's most important that people get a sunny break ffs. Tourism is an enormous part of their economy and you're incredibly naive if you thinking essentially stopping that for two years won't have a massive impact!

Realistic and seeing the bigger picture, rather than naive. Not much of a tourist industry when half the destinations have entrance, travel, or internal restrictions.

No one's going to be able to go on holiday when they've lost their jobs because of all the office, pub, restaurant, entertainment venue, shop closures. Nor will they be able to travel if they're laid up at home or in hospital ill - be it Covid, Long Covid, or untreated cancer (because the hospital beds are full and hospital staff are off sick).

I see it (temporary restrictions such as international travel) like an operation. Not to be welcomed but worth it after. The sooner we deal with the virus, the quicker we can start to return to normal (including holidays).

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Some might say it's vile to intentionally put others, including many vulnerable people, at unnecessary risk

How exactly?

Mass gathering without masks in a densely populated city, travelling there on public transport. A virus's wet dream.

@TrustTheGeneGenie my mother was refused health care for a serious liver condition, because they were "only treating coronavirus in the hospital at that time".

That is putting vulnerable people at risk.

I was raped during lockdown, and my doctor would not give me an STI test, because the virus testing centres in Ireland - were "only testing for coronavirus at that time".

That is two examples of putting vulnerable people at risk.

Not much of a tourist industry when half the destinations have entrance, travel, or internal restrictions

No. I mean people visiting new Zealand. As tourists. Obviously.

People in New Zealand will lose their jobs because the tourism industry has shut up shop.

The thing about "temporary" though. Well we don't have an end date. We cannot confirm it will be temporary. We can't confirm this will ever go away.