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Will you be getting the track and trace app? If not, why not?

372 replies

FairIsleFenella · 25/09/2020 17:59

I've downloaded it. The only info I had to give was the first half of my postcode. I'm happy to use it, I have nothing to hide! However, I know there will be people who are unhappy to use it. If you are one of them, please tell me why. Is it a civil liberties issue?

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WhentheDealGoesDown1 · 25/09/2020 19:21

I have but as I spend most of my time at home I have switched off the contact tracking bit until I go out, little point in my Bluetooth constantly trying to find stuff if I am safely in my house. I will turn it on if I leave the house

WhentheDealGoesDown1 · 25/09/2020 19:25

It looks like you can turn the tracking bit off completely so it’s not using Bluetooth but still use it for venues which might be useful for some people

rosie1959 · 25/09/2020 19:25

I have downloaded can’t think of any reason not to any thing that helps keep my family safe is a positive
If you leave your phone somewhere ie a locker you can turn the tracking off
If you leave a place and someone comes in who is positive you won’t get a notification and you would had hopefully took your phone with you

Pobblebonk · 25/09/2020 19:30

I've got it. I trust this one a hell of a lot more than the one that Cummings' mates produced at vast expense which fortunately was abandoned.

DrizzleandDamp · 25/09/2020 19:30

It’s not a legal requirement to self isolate YET.

Don’t trust Cummings and Co as far as I could throw them with my arms tied to my sides standing neck high in a vat of jelly.

WanderingMilly · 25/09/2020 19:30

No. I only have a phone that talks/texts, no apps, no other connection.
I choose to do that purposely so that I can't be tracked and traced, so even if it were possible on my 'phone, why would I want to download a 'track' and 'trace' app??

HeIenaDove · 25/09/2020 19:31

@Callipygion

www.politicshome.com/news/article/serco-contract-tracing-concentrix

Exclusive: Serco Have Subcontracted Contact Tracing Jobs To The Company Embroiled In The Tax Credits Scandal And Debt Collection Companies

The firm behind last year’s tax credits scandal as well as companies linked to debt collection services are among those who have been handed contact tracing roles by Serco, PoliticsHome can reveal.

The outsourcing giant was handed a lucrative £108m contract earlier this year to run a major part of the government's contract tracing work, but has come under fire for subcontracting dozens of firms to conduct the bulk of the work.

In June, ministers confirmed that Serco had subcontracted approximately 9,000 staff out of the total 10,500 required to run the service to a panel of 29 subcontractors, but refused to reveal the list of firms because of commercial sensitivity.

But PoliticsHome can reveal that Concentrix, the US company behind a major tax credits debacle, are among those who have been handed contracts by Serco to provide staff to run the scheme.

Concentrix had been hired by HMRC in 2014 to tackle fraud and error in the tax credit system, but were removed just two years later following a swathe of complaints from MPs and claimants who had had their benefits reduced or halted by the firm

Ministers later admitted that 87% of the 36,000 people who lodged an appeal against the firm's rulings had their complaints upheld, while HMRC revealed that the cost of conducting mandatory reviews and closing the 181,000 cases left open by Concentrix had cost a further £30m in staff time.

Last year, the firm faced further criticism over their handling of the UK's Action Fraud call center after an investigation by The Times revealed staff handling calls had described fraud victims as "morons", "psychos" and "screwballs".

Speaking to MPs after the reports, then-civil service chief executive John Manzoni said officials would "make sure" the firm were not awarded further government work "unless they could persuade us that they had got better".

But despite the scandals, the company appears to have been contracted by Serco to run Tier 3 contact tracing services, which involves calling people who have come into close contact with an infected person and telling them to self-isolate.

Meanwhile, Serco have also handed contracts to two companies whose work is connected to debt collection services.

NCO Europe is a debt collection company that bills itself as “the UK's leading customer service provider, from Contact Solutions to creating Payment Plans”, while Arvato CRM UK says it delivers “award-winning customer service and back-office processing services for some of the world’s most respected brands”. It is part of the global network of Arvato, owned by Bertelsman. Its sister company, Arvato Financial Solutions, offers debt collection services.

Ministers have already faced criticism over the use of private firms to conduct contact tracing after it was revealed in August that the system had reached just 54% of people who had been in close contact with an infected person in the 20 worst-hit parts of the UK.

A spokesperson for Arvato declined to comment. A spokesperson for the Department for Health directed PoliticsHome to Serco. A spokesperson for the outsourcing firm said: “We went through a due diligence process for all our subcontractors that looked at their contact centre and customer service experience.

“Some of the subcontractors were already also on the Cabinet Office’s Crown Commercial Framework for Contact Centres.”

NCO Europe and Concentrix did not respond to requests for comment.

Responding to the story, shadow cabinet minister Rachel Reeves said: "As if continuing outsourcing to a company with such a bad track record wasn't enough, this government didn't even ensure that those it was subcontracting were up to the job.

"Instead of outsourcing to tier upon tier of private companies, this Tory government should have put money into our public services which know local communities better, and are far more efficient.

"With the testing system on the brink of collapse when we need it most, the government has serious questions to answer on why this subcontractor - embroiled in scandal and with a track record of failing government services - was given responsibility for part of one of the most systems in our country."

Giningit · 25/09/2020 19:31

Not a chance. I’m not self isolating because I may have been within 4m(apparently) of someone who has it. Or my phone being detected in a locker when I’m nowhere near the infected person. I don’t have time to be self isolating every 5 seconds for random reasons.

Pobblebonk · 25/09/2020 19:31

@CherieBabySpliffUp

If this is the app that Dominic Cummings has links to then I won't, no.
It isn't. That one was abandoned because it was crap. What a surprise.
Iwantacookie · 25/09/2020 19:32

I tried to see if I could but my phones too old. I wouldn't anyway.
I dont trust it and dont need another app draining my battery.

palacegirl77 · 25/09/2020 19:35

No thanks. Wouldnt trust anything this current government come up with.

LindaEllen · 25/09/2020 19:35

I've got it. I don't know how effective it'll be, but I'll do my bit!

mosscarpet · 25/09/2020 19:35

Im not downloading it. Mostly this is because I do patient home visits a lot. I wear full PPE for these. But in order not to end up being traced and told to isolate if a patient tests positive I have to manually toggle the tracking bit off on the app during patient visits, then back on afterwards. There is no way I am going to remeber to do this every time, so it will end up being a nightmare!

ScottishDream · 25/09/2020 19:35

My phone is too old and slow with scrap battery. I don’t go anywhere except work/home anyway.

noimkaren · 25/09/2020 19:39

I would but it seems a bit pointless for us as a household. I've got the newest phone in the house & the app works on that, but not on anyone else's (older) phones. The DC are at school and using public transport once a day, going into shops, carrying on with sporting activities as much as possible & DH is going into work as an essential worker. I'm wth, not able to see clients & can't socialise because of a local lockdown so I'm the person with the least exposure. Tracing me won't be of much benefit. It'll cost us to get out of existing phone contracts or get upgrades,too. We have volunteered to be tested every month and we're waiting to hear.

didireallysaythat · 25/09/2020 19:40

Yes I have. Need it to check into swimming lessons, pilates classes and rugby training.

HeIenaDove · 25/09/2020 19:41

People are watching their pennies for the shitstorm that is to come so i shouldnt think many people will upgrade..........app or no app.

jasjas1973 · 25/09/2020 19:43

No because like many companies, if i have to self isolate, i don't get paid, SSP only.
If i'm otherwise ill i get full pay for 6 months.

Imagine getting told to self isolate 3 or 4 times as infections increase?

flowerycurtain · 25/09/2020 19:44

Nope. I don't go anywhere apart from school pick up.

Also very worried I'd be told to self isolate for being just in passing to someone who had it - self employed and really really can't be off unless it's absolutely necessary.

Dawnlassie · 25/09/2020 19:46

No not particular interested in using it. I barely use my phone unless I need to contact me. Im not the sort of person who will have it handy to bother "checking in" to places.

Lilybet1980 · 25/09/2020 19:48

@Frappuccinofan

This is the error
Have you tried running the latest iOS update. That worked for me.

Anyone else wondering whether any of those not willing to use the app are the same people who said schools weren’t safe without effective track and trace?

I’m using it but the whole not being a me to check out of a venue thing is just bollocks.

DipSwimSwoosh · 25/09/2020 19:50

No, I don't like to have my phone on me when out and about. I hardly have any apps. I don't want to be traced. That's just the way I am. Then again, I mostly just go to work, home, and out walking or swimming. If I have to fill out paper that's fine, but I'm not comfortable having a big digital footprint.
Work seem to think I am checking my email constantly, and am always contactable and happy to use my phone for work purposes. I use my phone to communicate on my terms. It's strange to me that so many people want to carry so much information around with them all the time.

OpheliasCrayon · 25/09/2020 19:52

No I won't be

Ilikewinter · 25/09/2020 19:57

Ive downloaded it and had it on all day yesterday then came to the realaisation that i drive on my own to work and back and if a colleague catches it then id know, so im not really in prolonged close contact with a stranger!. Think ill only switch it on if im in a pub or restuarant or somewhere similar.

carcarbinks · 25/09/2020 20:00

I've downloaded it. I read the BBC article about how it works and can't see any problem with it. Anything to try and bring this thing to an end.

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