People will not comply if the restrictions are only social

[NoSleepInTheHeat]

I really believe that if the restrictions are only social (no more than 6 people, no mixing of households inside,...) people won't comply.

If you are being told to take a packed train or tube to go to work and there mix with your colleagues, will you really not see friends or family at the weekend?

If you see people going to the pub down the road every evening, will you really refrain from inviting a couple over to yours for dinner?
Basically, if you can afford to pay you can socialize, otherwise you can't.

I will play my part and if restricting my social contacts helps to reduce the spread of the virus then so be it. This is regardless of the fact that there is no social distancing in my work place and despite the fact that pubs are open- if me reducing my social contacts means those in hospitality can keep their jobs (which by the way benefits us all) and keep schools open then I’m happy to do it

If they don't comply then they don't get to complain when we end up back in Lockdown because the NHS can't cope, because THEY will have put us there.

They can't have it both ways.

*Not at all.

I’d be happy to either be able to keep them off over the winter and home school without losing their place or getting fined.

I’d be equally happy if the government pulled its finger out of its arse and spent the money needed for schools to actually be safe for staff and students. Not just chucking them all in and hoping for the best.

So right now I’m not inclined to listen to the governments daft and arbitrary ‘rules’. We are already ‘not safe’, I don’t see why my son playing football with his friend in a garden while I have a coffee with his mum is any less safe then them being crammed into a poorly ventilated classroom all day with 28 other dc.

I’m getting a lot of flack for saying this but it’s the truth, and I can see in real life that others feel the same.*

Ffs. Schools would be safe if parents ensured that their child doesn't bring Covid into the school.

As Whitty said today, this isn't just someone else's problem, this isn't just your risk.

Because YOU want the schools to close you basically don't give a shit about the other children, parents or teachers.

Your logic is seriously flawed.

*Yes, quite.

And to all those parents saying schools are the least safe place so whilst they remain open they're just going to crack on, it’s parents like you who are making schools so unsafe in the first place.*

This exactly.

The absolute twattery of some people is astounding.

Those saying ‘X isn’t less safe than y’ or ‘x is the same as y’ are missing the point entirely. It’s not about saying something is safer than something else it’s about reducing the amount of contact we have with others and reducing the amount of others we have contact with. The chance of passing on a virus is increased the more time you spend with another person. So the fact your child is in class with little Johnny doesn’t mean it’s ok to mix with him outside of school as this increases the chance of passing it to him. Likewise the more people you meet with the more people you can pass it onto. It really isn’t complicated

My personal priorities are
-schools/nurseries
-seeing close family/friends
-then any other things.

I wish they’d just ask us all to provide say 3 household sized bubbles we can mix with. We register that online and then police can stop and check that the people you are with are the people you agreed to bubble with.

I don’t need to see hundreds of random people, I just want to see a small select group of people freely.

I would actually prefer it if the schools received extra funding to keep dc and staff safe. As they are going now they can’t stay open for much longer anyway. So yes, I either want them to be made safe or shut down, it’s just wishful thinking to bury your heads in the sand and hope for the best.

If you think half-hearted measures like closing the pub an hour early or asking people nicely not to carry on socialising is going to have any effect whatsoever...I have a bridge to sell you.

Our ‘locked down’ areas cases have carried on rising as the ‘lock down’ is about as much use as wearing an amulet for protection from covid.

Ffs. Schools would be safe if parents ensured that their child doesn't bring Covid into the school.

Yes blame the parents.

And how are they going to ensure that?

Keep pissing off the boss by isolating at the drop of a hat for every sniffle because no tests are available?

Stop going out to work as a career/nurse/hospitality staff?

Cut themselves and dc off again from friends and family just because the government decided to go for a free for all strategy over the summer and with opening schools with hardly any changes in place?

You keep blaming the plebs all you want, I know who I’m laying the blame of non compliance with.

I really feel for the schools, it’s an never ending task for them.

Dd1 is doing a teacher training course at school and she was mentioning today today how another girl on the same course came into school although she was waiting on a COVID test result 😳 . What followed was ridiculous, the teachers had to change into appropriate clothing and escort her out of the building. In addition, because she had been in several classes already, it all needed to be sanitised. You’d think an 18 year older would have more sense and I can’t even use words to describe what the hell her parents were thinking allowing her to come to school. How much can schools control stupidity like this?

We’re in a hotspot area and dd3s school has enforced face masks for all parents from tomorrow when dropping and picking kids up.

The government haven't done a spectacular job, but saying fuck it I'll do what I like isn't going to help anyone.

It's a virus, there's little immunity, it spreads by person to person contact. Presumably no one held a gun to your head to eat out to help out?

No one can guarantee that themselves or their child won't catch Covid, but it's fairly obvious that the more you limit your interactions outside of what's essential, the more you reduce the risk.

I want schools to stay open. My point was purely saying I can’t eat at my in-laws isn’t a going to make us go to a restaurant instead as we would be over six anyway so no money being spent. Win for me I guess.

@moaningmurlock I agree with you. People saying that not seeing a mate in the park offsets the risk of going to school are talking rubbish and clearly haven't comprehended that there is no distancing in schools. Our little darlings are sandwiched in together for hours. If they are going to pick it up anywhere, it will be in school.When/if community spread is low it makes absolute sense to do everything you can to avoid sending infection back in to the school. . When it's already widespread in the surrounding community, like it is in my community, it will make fuck all difference if your kids who have spent all day together then meet up for a kickabout at the park.

If we are expected to not see our families for longer than 2 weeks, then we will not comply. We will see my parents and that's it.

Where I live it's the TEACHERS being sick that are causing the closures. Not the children. If we want the kids to stay in school the adults have to limit themselves as much as possible to make this happen. Some People are being unbelievably selfish. The kids NEED to go to,school, and some people HAVE to go to work. This should be the priority right now. Not the right to go to the pub or see your best mate.

If we all behave then schools will stay open. I’m happy to give up my social life in return for a proper education for my children. This ain’t forever

Well, two close elderly relatives are both v ill, do we deny them seeing their Grandchild and neice or let them die without ever seeing them again? unless its through a window.
Sure CV might kill them but their choice is to see their family.

Hard to take these measures seriously when we can't do a SD run with 7 but i can go on a Grouse shoot with 29 others.

Where I live it's the TEACHERS being sick that are causing the closures.

If there is no SD in schools, teachers will catch it, go off sick (possibly forever if they get long covid) and there's no-one to teach.

Most teachers don't want to be in school in these conditions, they want the basic safety measures accorded to literally every other worker (SD, masks)

The problem is, schools simply aren't safe. There's enough virus in the community that any case will be spread in school.

7 days from symptom to test result for my DD this week - meanwhile all close contacts in school, shoulder to shoulder, breathing in the same air 6+ hours.

Anyone who thinks that won't make teachers sick is having a laugh.

I think people with actual common sense will use their common sense and those with no common sense / selfish arseholes will do what they like anyway.

Right now I struggle with the fact women are giving birth alone, having scans alone etc but it's absolutely fine for people to meet up all weekend with different groups of 6 people.

I'm concerned that we're being pushed into a two tier society where your ability to have human interaction depends on your ability or willingness to pay over the odds to go to a pub/restaurant/shooting trip.

I don't see how a socially distanced cup of coffee is less risky if two friends are in a house, Vs two friends who have to travel to a town, park or use public transport, go into a cafe, sit with others, and travel home.

The lack of logic on many of the rules is going to push the goodwill and charity of many.

*I don't see how a socially distanced cup of coffee is MORE risky if two friends are in a house, Vs two friends who have to travel to a town, park or use public transport, go into a cafe, sit with others, and travel home

(Edited to correct)

@Thenneverendingstorohree

My personal priorities are -schools/nurseries -seeing close family/friends -then any other things.

I wish they’d just ask us all to provide say 3 household sized bubbles we can mix with. We register that online and then police can stop and check that the people you are with are the people you agreed to bubble with.

I don’t need to see hundreds of random people, I just want to see a small select group of people freely.

But would all of your 3 only want to see that group? Otherwise you have 3, but the other 2 in your group have 2 completely different ones, increasing your indirect contacts. It makes a web. It’s very unlikely to be possible to choose two other households that don’t have family outside your group they want to see.

@LolaSmiles Speaking of a two tier society

news.co.uk/news/politics/daily-moonshot-tests-covid-nhs-paid-by-public-655089

Daily ‘moonshot’ tests for Covid-19 will not given out by NHS – the public will have to pay
Dido Harding said that the tests should be seen as a ‘cost of doing business’ for people who want to attend conferences or go to the theatre

Daily “moonshot” tests for Covid-19 which will allow people to resume normal life will not be available on the NHS, the Government’s testing czar has suggested.

Dido Harding said that individuals and companies would have to pay to access the proposed tests, which would return results in as little as 15 minutes, as a “cost of doing business”.

Up to 10million of the tests are due to be made available every day as a way of getting the UK closer to normality before the advent of a coronavirus vaccine. If you take the test and get a negative result it means you are not contagious – even if you are infected – and can therefore visit the theatre, attend a conference or socialise without fear of passing on Covid-19 that day.

I think you're right. I'm at work, dh at work, dd at school, but might not be able to see my Nan - personally, I won't, but I know plenty that will. It makes sense to keep everything running but it feels like we are being asked to sacrifice everything unless it makes money. If you have money you can see people indoors, if you don't, you can't.

Surely if they implement no household mixing it will mean no socialising in pubs and cafes too though? So you can only go to those places with your household, no meeting other households there.

I just want schools to stay open. Employers should be ordered to help
Those who can work from home to work from home. Close pubs and social
Venues but let small groups meet. I agree you can’t keep pubs open but ban people living normal family life!

My teenagers would be happy to have schools close. So would I amd my husband.

As a family we prioritise spending time with my father and keeping him safe
As people with lots of single friends (all our age group so nit young people) who rely on being able to meet up with other friends to stay sane, we prioritise keeping pubs open.
As someone who lives in an area where there are practically no cases shutting us down, shutting our very vital hospitality Industry will cause mass unemployment for no reason.

We all have different priorities. It's only on here where this obsession with keeping schools open to the detriment of teachers' health and the health of vulnerable children can be found.