Main points from today anyone?

[Yetiyoga]

Can someone give any info on what was said today? I don't know what to believe with media. I missed it

[CoffeeandCroissant]

@Muchtoomuchtodo

Are they saying that those with antibodies have definite immunity (the 8%)?

The CDC said they are reasonably confident that it means you will have immunity for at least 3 months. We won't know what the average immunity is for Covid 19 for quite a while, but based on other coranaviruses, the hypothesis is possibly 1 to 2 years, but that's just theoretical for now. Also more likely than not that any subsequent infection will be milder or asymptomatic, but that's also not proven to definitely be the case.

[AlecTrevelyan006]

the main thing I took from today is that govt is gambling everything on there being a vaccine in the nearish future - and until we have one there will be no going back to 'normal'

[Daisy03]

Tappitytaptap, I obviously have no idea of the age of health of your parents, but if they are vulnerable or old, then by you having them looking after your kids after school then you’re putting them in danger as your kids may well pick it up from school.
Or if they’re seeing other vulnerable people they are then in danger.
Of course if your parents are very healthy and you’re in a bubble that isn’t seeing anyone else then all fine and good.
It’s going to be a very hard winter of choices for a lot of people.
I’m going to have to do a mix of dropping hours at work and paying for extra childcare, if it’s available, but people are going to have to make difficult sacrifices and choices for quite some time for the sake of everybody else’s health

[GerardWay123]

George Orwell. Nineteen Eighty-Four. We have all walked into a totalitarian state without even realising it.

[WorriedMummy2020]

On the point about mask wearing by adults at school pick up and drop off, those saying they'll only wear them when their kids wear them in class too are missing a key point which is that children under 11 don't transmit Covid19 at the same rate as adults....

[IloveJKRowling]

Everyone in this country must follow the rules. Everyone.

schools aren't following the rules. The government hasn't given them the money to do so (they did in June/July).

Just saying. THIS is partly why people have fatigue.

Sending my kids to school is the highest risk thing I do. By far. It's a risk the government has foisted upon me and one I do not want to take (I want masks, SD school, small class sizes, as my DD1s school did in summer).

If I catch coronavirus it can only be via my kids.

[MyPersona]

@tappitytaptap

Then I am simply saying that I (and several other families I know) will not comply. However much people on mumsnet froth about it. In the real world, I don’t know people who are willing to sacrifice their earning potential for this, not one. On mumsnet however, everyone is perfectly happy to entirely screw their futures apparently. Sounds like a really sensible plan 👍

Can you really really not comprehend that your futures will be more screwed by the fallout from the virus rampaging through the population? Your best hope is that enough other less stupid and self absorbed people will comply, balancing out the impact of attitudes like yours.

[Muchtoomuchtodo]

@CoffeeandCroissant thanks.

I had antibodies when I was tested at work in July. I had no idea that I had had COVID-19. It would be interesting to get a retest and see if I still have them but there’s I way of getting that done unfortunately.

[IloveJKRowling]

which is that children under 11 don't transmit Covid19 at the same rate as adults....

Even if that were true (it's not) then 6 hours indoors in a small room with 30 kids with no social distancing is still much MUCH MUCH more likely to cause transmission than 5-10 mins outside socially distanced

[AlecTrevelyan006]

even if everyone tries to follow the 'rules', now that kids are back at school and more people back it work it's inevitable that cases will increase regardless of mask wearing, hand washing and standing apart from each other.

It's a virus, and it will do what a virus does.

[Redolent]

None of this was inevitable, as Boris keeps deluding us and himself. We basically squandered the summer as an opportunity to really drive down the virus in the community.

No proper quarantine procedure after foreign holidays. Eat Out to Help Out. No attempts to endure that schools are actually covid secure. No things like mass population testing to really pick up on the hotspots. No regular briefings to keep the public on board.

Fact is, for much of July and August, many people forgot this thing even existed, which suited the government just fine.

[Notfeelinggreattoday]

If they say no household mixing do they really believe people will stick to that
They are going to work and mixing , school and mixing , supermarkets and mixing
And tbh my 87 year old nan lives on her own what does she do , just sit in all day , seeing no one?
Yet ironiclly she needs to go to hospital for appts there is no transport so family members have to take her so therefore have to mix
I can see a couple weeks not mixing working but any longer i just don't think most will do , especially as it doesnt look like we can ever contain this and a vaccinne is minimum 6 months away and even that is guaranteed
Figures for immunity are all guess work , how many people have actually had a anti body test ? How many have not been able to get a covid test ?
Also re : where he said you can catch it twice - did he confirm where he got this info from or data used as i thought we didn't know this for sure yet , or have they confirmed this now

[Peaseblossom22]

@SleepingStandingUp Tappity already said that in the last lockdown they moved in with her parents and will do the same this time .

[BarbaraofSeville]

And tbh my 87 year old nan lives on her own what does she do , just sit in all day , seeing no one

You can mix and see people and keep it low risk. Stay 2 metres apart. No hugging and kissing. No extended face to face conversations close up. If you're sharing food and drink, be extra mindful of hand hygiene.

Stay outside if the weather is OK. Wear a mask when you go to shops and other slightly more crowded places and the risk reduces for everyone.

It's not hard, but people seem to have forgotten the basic protection measures and see their need to hug friends and relatives as more important than reducing the spread of the virus.

[RepeatSwan]

@IloveJKRowling

Everyone in this country must follow the rules. Everyone.

schools aren't following the rules. The government hasn't given them the money to do so (they did in June/July).

Just saying. THIS is partly why people have fatigue.

Sending my kids to school is the highest risk thing I do. By far. It's a risk the government has foisted upon me and one I do not want to take (I want masks, SD school, small class sizes, as my DD1s school did in summer).

If I catch coronavirus it can only be via my kids.

I agree with this, it is infuriating how the government is pretending schools don't spread the virus

[HeIenaDove]

Anyone who lives in a housing association property can be at risk of losing the tenancy if they move out for more than 42 days.

[Notfeelinggreattoday]

@BarbaraofSeville we do all that bit what I am saying is people are in about there being a possibility of no mixing if households at all ?
Like i said couple weeks ok but not for months on end
Also especially hard as we can't realistically get rid of this virus now and we have no guarantee on a vaccine or when , how long can we live shut away for 2 months , 6 months , 1 year ??

[Peaseblossom22]

Well as the poster in question also said they had sold their property and were looking for a new property to buy I don’t think that applies either .

The HA regulations should be looked at for these circumstances though .

[BarbaraofSeville]

Well no we don't 'all do that' or else cases wouldn't be growing exponentially with it being known that transmission is in friends and family groups or places like pubs.

If people were following the rules, transmission wouldn't be growing like it is, how could it be?

[roguecat]

I am in an extra lockdown area with no household mixing. Neighbour has her mates round again, as she and the neighbour on the other side have done all the time through lockdown.

I despair I really do

[Jux]

@MissPoldark

And from Whitty, which is what so many people constantly fail to realise/understand:

“You cannot in an epidemic just take your own risk, unfortunately you’re taking a risk on behalf of everybody else. It’s important that we see this as something that we have to do collectively”

Can't be said often enough.

[Notfeelinggreattoday]

@BarbaraofSeville i was referring to my case as in my nan we all visit with social distancing , haven't hugged her since before this
But people are saying might ban households mixing full stop
Re iterating meeting carefully needs to be done as many forget
But if you go out for a meal with friends you cannot maintain 2 m at a restaurant or pub table
Going outside for meet ups will be harder in winter too

[Jux]

We need public information notices like we had during the AIDS epidemic. Massive tombstones and things.

[CrunchyNutNC]

It's a virus, and it will do what a virus does.

A virus seeks a new host. We can control whether it finds one (and how vulnerable that host might be).

[Notfeelinggreattoday]

@CrunchyNutNC but for how long can we do that , its worldwide we can't all stay in as certain things have to run regardless
If we stay in for 6 months then as we start to get back to normal the virus just starts again
Nz had no cases for ages yet now having a couple here and there and they are'nt open for travel as such unless you can quarantine
If a vaccine was guaranteed in 6 months it would help , but closing down is really about slowing the virus as it can't be eradicated easily