Main points from today anyone?

[Yetiyoga]

Can someone give any info on what was said today? I don't know what to believe with media. I missed it

Nofty me too. Even if schools don’t close as I rely on grandparents to look after younger child and so school run 2 days a week.

@SleepingStandingUp yes I really like 'So saying "3 households max but ideally 2, no physical contact except to provide care" and just making the facts about vulnerability clear would have, imo, higher compliance rate and lower contact with other people across the board'

Many people I know are socialising frequently with at least 10 other households - not all at once, but it's still a lot. I'm fairly sure the virus can be maintained with people having contact with 2 (ish) households.

Finally spelt out that Covid is widespread across the world, in all communities, and therefore we will never be able to get rid of it completely and will have to learn to live alongside it.

I'm curious what @Oaktree55 and @Peaseblossom22 did for childcare during the last lockdown

@Orangeblossom7777

Yeah, right, as a microbiologist, Chris Whitty of course understands nothing about T cell immunity hmm

So why are they basing immunity purely on antibody tests?

which might not even have been done
which fade within a few weeks
which fail to take in T cell immunity...

Possibly because the T-cell studies haven't yet come to any firm conclusions about the significance of cross reactivity. It does seem likely that this will provide some kind of protective effect but at the moment that isn't known for sure, and being a scientist, Whitty isn't going to make pronouncements based on possibilities. Also T-cells don't provide immunity, they can lessen the severity of an infection but they can't stop you catching it and passing it on.

@BernardsarenotalwaysSaints

Just read in the BBC news report on NS latest briefing to Scotland that there is to be a COBRA meeting tomorrow morning.

Wonder if there was one planned or if she's said that to force their hand as it seems a lot of chasing about at the weekend with not much results. I noticed she said she'd spoken to Gove but not the elusive BJ...

The virus is still out there and it is going to get serious again as you are not collectively pulling together. We can't do much more than tell you to follow the guidelines. Good luck, you'll need it.

@BernardsarenotalwaysSaints

Just read in the BBC news report on NS latest briefing to Scotland that there is to be a COBRA meeting tomorrow morning.

About time

Wonder if there was one planned or if she's said that to force their hand as it seems a lot of chasing about at the weekend with not much results. I noticed she said she'd spoken to Gove but not the elusive BJ...

At the start of the briefing she said she'd been told there would be a COBR meeting, but that no time had been fixed for it yet and she was clearly frustrated that it hadn't been set in stone yet.

By the end one of the journalists was able to tell her it had been set for tomorrow morning.

One less thing for her to get onto Boris about in their phone call after her briefing finished.

In my case my youngest is a teenager so no need plus I can work from home as can dh, but I work in a school so now I am surrounded by 1000 staff and pupils. Because if this I am not seeing anyone outside the family I live with, dh and dc, and work.

I wholly accept that childcare is necessary and when they were younger I would have been praying for nurseries and childminders to stay open, but my view would be that if you have to socially mix for work and childcare then All other socialising must stop. It’s about trying to limit contact with people as much as possible but some people are just saying that they won’t do it at all .

I have only spoken the truth, if we don’t do this then the disease will run rampant and people will lose jobs because they are too ill to work. It’s a horrid fact but it’s not going to go because It’s too difficult. All these people saying they won’t do it what do you suggest instead ?

I've had D&V overnight, so the very last thing I need right now is a big fat bumming from Boris

I'm not listening. I'll make my own decisions.

@Badbanana

The virus hasn’t morphed into a less deadly version.

Keep doing the things you hopefully already are (washing hands, wear masks, social distancing).

The virus spreads in poorly ventilated and crowded indoor areas, except for schools which didn’t get a mention and are therefore immune.

Just on BBC news, there are more women in the 20-40 age range being admitted into hospital than others.

Possible due to more caring/service jobs.

No one mentioned that schools have been back for a while and who is a middle aged mum more likely to get it from, a socially distanced stranger in a mask or a hugged/kissed symptomless child?

Exactly - not mixing households doesn't help when you have children coming home with temperatures. Not impressed with our school - their blurb tells you all the precautions but according to the kids, there aren't any precautions! They are supposed to have increased to what they were supposed to be in the first place now though, since our local lockdown - ie wear masks when not in the classroom. Except clearly they are not going to when eating their lunch!

@Orangeblossom7777 they can say the vast majority aren’t immune because they have enough epidemiological evidence from various scenarios including prisons in States and a famous fishing vessel one which I can’t be bothered to dig out.

Even if T Cell immunity does get proven to lessen disease it won’t change course of Pandemic just make some people lucky to get off likely. They’ll still (almost with certainty) infect the unlucky vulnerable still.

Makes v little difference to our current situation.

Lightly

I think it was deliberate to put the two scientists up first and BoJo tomorrow. They are making it clear that science is one thing, policy is another.

I thought Whitty was pretty clear that the restrictions we’ve had to control the virus have had a damaging effect on other aspects of health, and on the economy, which will eventually feed into damage to health. But it’s for policymakers, i.e. politicians, to decide how to balance the costs and benefits of each potential intervention and decide what to tighten, what to loosen, and we’ll.

There is no perfect answer which gets everyone through this unscathed. Perhaps if people realised this, there would be less anger.

@Viviennemary

I'm not listening. I'll make my own decisions.

Do tell us what your decisions will be?

Carry on mixing with others?

@cheninblanc

I got the points but it all ended a bit abruptly. Its growing, we have to act fast but nothing to tell us how other than hands space face. I am hoping they'll be a government follow-up!

Surely "how" is obvious as per previous announcements??

Wash hands often, maintain 2m social distancing, avoid large gatherings, wear masks in shops and on public transport, respect the 6 person limit, etc., etc.

If we all do that, we won't need to have further restrictions.

Watch it on I player

I think we all love you @diggadoo. I was snorting with laughter!

I have only spoken the truth, if we don’t do this then the disease will run rampant and people will lose jobs because they are too ill to work. It’s a horrid fact but it’s not going to go because It’s too difficult. All these people saying they won’t do it what do you suggest instead?
That they permit mixing with at least 3 bubbles, but this is done exclusively. If Tappity had room, she could move her parents in. One household. Sorted. No one has to quit. Instead of they're in 2 bed with 2 kids for example, you're essentially saying it's ok for her to lose her job and become homeless, the kids go into care etc. Yes on a society level that might be an insignificant consequence of protecting the wider society but the reality is people will not put their own family at such large risk without alternate large risk directly at them. So Tappity lose your home or Tappity die, easy choice. Tappity lose your home or risk passing it on of you get it and someone else dying, harder choice.

And it's so much easier to tell people they would just lost their jobs and risk their homes when you aren't at that risk.
And yes, not you're words exactly, bit the ethos of well if you felt on god then just quit and take care of your own kids, which is said more generally, amounts to that

I think the chances that we're just sticking with the current restrictions are very, very low @Badbadbunny

Luckily it's up to Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock to unfuck us. Don't know about Hancock but Johnson's experience seems to be the opposite.

I don't think they will ever allow informal childcare as they know children are a risk of transmission for adults. Only they can't say that as they have to keep schools open to keep their fucking economy going.

Mums end up the losers from all of this, in pretty much every way. Losing help with childcare. Losing their jobs because coronavirus testing takes 8 days (or 14 days isolation if you can't get a test). Losing their health or lives -- rise in women in their 20s to 40s being admitted to hospital with Covid, coincidentally following the return to schools of children in full classes and with no masks or additional budget for school adaptations to ventilation or cleaning. TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL OF COURSE DUDES [whistles]

Decisions are being made by a bunch of dickheads who are so male and able to relinquish responsibility for their children (hello Boris!) that they genuinely have no clue that children get coughs and fevers every autumn and that testing numbers will increase.

Dickheads! Sexist dickheads who don't care about anyone except themselves!

Just had a message from the school saying that our council is advising parents wear masks at drop off and pick up as social distancing is often not possible.

Errr what’s the point?

If Mrs Smith has COVID, then her dc probably will have it. My dc have been licking Mrs Smith’s dc all day.

If Mrs Smith has Covid, I’m probably getting it. And standing a few feet from her in the playground wearing a mask isn’t going to make a blind but of difference once I’ve hugged/kissed my own dc.